Andrew Luck

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by JJP

If you are going to use the Oakland QB argument with Zach Miller (and I understand that argument), you can make the case that Heyward Bey had the same QBs throwing to him. Heyward Bey's 2011 numbers are far superior anything Baldwin has ever done, and actually a little better than Tate's 2013 season. While Luck only had Wayne for half this past season, he is light years better than either Tate or Baldwin, and I'd still take him over Harvin.

I should've rephrased the part about Luck accepting blame. Actually he does. His fanboys are the ones in denial. He may be the best QB in the league in two or three years, but he still has to develop.

How many teams GM's would trade their QB for him right now? At least 25 and maybe more.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How many teams GM's would trade their QB for him right now? At least 25 and maybe more.

Every one based on age.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How many teams GM's would trade their QB for him right now? At least 25 and maybe more.

Probably at least 25. So what? GMs go strictly by potential, and Luck is loaded with potential. Nobody doubts that. But he has a gunslinger mentality. He's going to need to tone that down a bit.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by JJP

Probably at least 25. So what? GMs go strictly by potential, and Luck is loaded with potential. Nobody doubts that. But he has a gunslinger mentality. He's going to need to tone that down a bit.

So what? He has a pretty good track record already no? 22-11 with a playoff win. I wish my team had that kind of QB and record

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So what? He has a pretty good track record already no? 22-11 with a playoff win. I wish my team had that kind of QB and record

Yeah but your team has Lauren Tannehill

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Yeah but your team has Lauren Tannehill

True.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So what? He has a pretty good track record already no? 22-11 with a playoff win. I wish my team had that kind of QB and record

No, see, it doesn't matter that he had virtually no running game in the playoffs and 2/3 of his primary receivers were basically practice squad guys. Oh, throw in that his defense was abysmal. He sucks because he's thrown 8 INTs and "only" gone 1-2 in three games where his team was an underdog, at least one of which came to the eventual Super Bowl champion.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So what? He has a pretty good track record already no? 22-11 with a playoff win. I wish my team had that kind of QB and record

People like you equate a team's win-loss record 100% to the QB. Sorry, it may be the most important position, but it still is a team game. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl but Hostetler and Dilfer have. Would you not consider Marino a great QB?

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by JJP

People like you equate a team's win-loss record 100% to the QB. Sorry, it may be the most important position, but it still is a team game. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl but Hostetler and Dilfer have. Would you not consider Marino a great QB?

Where did he equate a team's win-loss record to the QB?

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Where did he equate a team's win-loss record to the QB?

In his previous statement when he stated Luck's win loss record.

I think Luck is a very good quarterback but I find it silly that his fanboys get so upset at any criticism. I've heard Peyton Manning take tremendous amounts of criticism, I've even heard criticism of Brady's play this year, and more recently, Russell Wilson has taken heat. Its apparently ok to criticize them, but God forbid if anyone points out anything negative about Luck.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by JJP

In his previous statement when he stated Luck's win loss record.

I think Luck is a very good quarterback but I find it silly that his fanboys get so upset at any criticism. I've heard Peyton Manning take tremendous amounts of criticism, I've even heard criticism of Brady's play this year, and more recently, Russell Wilson has taken heat. Its apparently ok to criticize them, but God forbid if anyone points out anything negative about Luck.

I really don't think he was equating the Colt's win-loss record 100% to Andrew Luck like you're trying to infer.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by JJP

In his previous statement when he stated Luck's win loss record.

I think Luck is a very good quarterback but I find it silly that his fanboys get so upset at any criticism. I've heard Peyton Manning take tremendous amounts of criticism, I've even heard criticism of Brady's play this year, and more recently, Russell Wilson has taken heat. Its apparently ok to criticize them, but God forbid if anyone points out anything negative about Luck.

You phrase this like Russell Wilson is something special? He is 16th in passing yards and had 2 300 games this year. Averages around 209 yds a game. IMO he is a gimmick QB with a short career span. Any QB relying so much on his legs won't be around long be it Defenses figuring it out, him taking a big hit or father time catching up with him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by JJP

People like you equate a team's win-loss record 100% to the QB. Sorry, it may be the most important position, but it still is a team game. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl but Hostetler and Dilfer have. Would you not consider Marino a great QB?

People like me? lol

Of course the QB gets an over sized amount of credit or blame for teams winning or losing but in this case this is the key player that a 2-14 team acquired which immediately turned into 22 wins over the next 2 seasons. Of course he doesn't make tackles on defense or kick FG's but to ignore the obvious huge positive impact that Luck has had is silly.

We aren't talking about winning a super bowl here. Marino set a million records and made the playoffs 10 times.

Want Luck stats?
His completion % went up 6% this year to 60.2%
He threw 23 TD's and 18 INT's as a rookie and this year threw 23 TD's and only 9 INT's.
His QB rating went from 76.5 as a rookie to 87.0 this year.
His sack totals went from 41 to 32
He has had 11 game winning drives and 8 4th quarter comebacks not counting the playoff game against KC.

He clearly is good and getting better

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How many teams GM's would trade their QB for him right now? At least 25 and maybe more.

I can honestly make say that only 2 QB's wouldn't warrant a trade.
. Aaron Rogers and Nick Foles. As a GM I am looking at a 10 year horizon and Rogers and Foles are the only 2 that have a shot at being around then. Luck has proven he is never out of a game.. The Zenyetta of NFL QB's so to say

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

I can honestly make say that only 2 QB's wouldn't warrant a trade.
. Aaron Rogers and Nick Foles. As a GM I am looking at a 10 year horizon and Rogers and Foles are the only 2 that have a shot at being around then. Luck has proven he is never out of a game.. The Zenyetta of NFL QB's so to say

That is Pure Poetry right there