The Best turf/dirt horse in the last 50 years?

[blackthroatedwind]

Secretariat may have been better on turf than dirt. At the very least he was an all-time great talent on both.

[randallscott35]

That seems to be the prevailing wisdom which doesn't make it correct. With 2 starts on it we'll never know.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

That seems to be the prevailing wisdom which doesn't make it correct. With 2 starts on it we'll never know.

No, we do know. You can keep pretending you somehow know better....but you don't.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

That seems to be the prevailing wisdom which doesn't make it correct. With 2 starts on it we'll never know.

We can only judge by what we saw. He ran twice on the turf and was a BEAST both times.

How can you say we'll never know?

[hondo]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

We can only judge by what we saw. He ran twice on the turf and was a BEAST both times.

How can you say we'll never know?

This was the basis of my pick....2 races as a 3 year old against older horses .....wins by 5 and 6 1/2 lengths ....one a track record...

However, regarding the female Waya she was one of the best and had no qualms to take on the boys and beat them.

[hondo]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

We can only judge by what we saw. He ran twice on the turf and was a BEAST both times.

How can you say we'll never know?

This was the basis of my pick....2 races as a 3 year old against older horses .....wins by 5 and 6 1/2 lengths ....one a track record...

However, regarding the female Waya she was one of the best and had no qualms to take on the boys and beat them.

[hondo]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

We can only judge by what we saw. He ran twice on the turf and was a BEAST both times.

How can you say we'll never know?

This was the basis of my pick....2 races as a 3 year old against older horses .....wins by 5 and 6 1/2 lengths ....one a track record...

However, regarding the female Waya she was one of the best and had no qualms to take on the boys and beat them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

That seems to be the prevailing wisdom which doesn't make it correct. With 2 starts on it we'll never know.

but affirmed success did enough for you to include him in this thread?

[Cannon Shell]

I cant believe no one said Zenyatta

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but affirmed success did enough for you to include him in this thread?

On both surfaces, yes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

On both surfaces, yes.

he's the best turf/dirt horse in the past 50 years? lol oh my. and you dare question secretariat? wow.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he's the best turf/dirt horse in the past 50 years? lol oh my. and you dare question secretariat? wow.

I didn't say that...he came to mind as a horse able to run in Grade 1s effectively on both surfaces...i was in no way comparing him to Secretariat of course....just more to the point of the original question....I like horses who have actual campaigns and run past there 3 yr old season but that's me.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I didn't say that...he came to mind as a horse able to run in Grade 1s effectively on both surfaces...i was in no way comparing him to Secretariat of course....just more to the point of the original question....I like horses who have actual campaigns and run past there 3 yr old season but that's me.

Feel free to share the Grade 1 turf races that Affirmed Success was effective racing in.

Secretariat ran in two of the biggest, maybe the two biggest, of his time...and had blowout wins in both.

Then you insinuate that Secretariat didn't have an "actual campaign." Maybe you should check out his pps again.

[dylbert]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Secretariat may have been better on turf than dirt. At the very least he was an all-time great talent on both.

Well said. I believe both of these races are posted on YouTube. Very powerful performances.

One of my favorite 'what ifs' in sports is, "What if Secretariat had run in Arc and won."