another shooting

[Danzig]

regarding a database....
if someone was not a felon, and then they become one, who makes sure they no longer own the guns they had, but aren't allowed to have now? or what if they own a gun, and then a restraining order comes out. if he wanted to buy a gun, would that show up? if so, why not retroactively for the one he could buy when he bought it, but he's banned now?
regarding the mentally ill-if you blackout, go to the doctor, and the doctor can find no reason why you blacked out (which means no treatment, thus you're at risk to blackout again)....he is required to report you to the dmv, and you lose your drivers license for a year. public safety and all that.
so, why can he report, but the psychiatrist treating a guy who is showing signs of severe illness can't? or won't? or he's on meds and quits taking them?
if someone is a stalker, with a history, what does that mean with guns?

and how come the guy who killed his buddy in a hunting 'accident' still owned guns, still hunted, took his kid hunting? but didn't give his 14 year old hunter orange to wear, and then killed his kid-cause he thought the kid was a deer? (i didn't know deer walk upright, amazing feat). how much stupid do you have to put on display before you're not fit to own a firearm?
can a database be used to disarm everyone? yeah. which is why you have rules prohibiting using the database to just go around and confiscate for no good reason. drivers are in a database, dui's come off your mvr after so long, but they still can find that you're a repeat offender.

[dellinger63]

Do you all realize homicides by guns are at their lowest rates since 1981? That in 1993 we had 7 gun homicides per 100K while today the rate is 3.6 per 100K (almost half?).

The gun violence problem is greatly exaggerated by those with a anti-gun stance. If those same people realized in 2010 suicides by gun were almost double homicides by gun it may become clear this is more of a choice issue. Similar to the choice afforded to a mother of an unwanted embryo.

Just wish we could find a way to convince shooters to kill themselves before killing others and many of these mass shootings could be avoided w/o impeding lawful residents with needless/endless regulations.

[dellinger63]

BTW Honduras is on top at 82.1 homicides per 100K.

Some surprising runner ups.

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Puerto Rico 26.2

Jamaica 52.1

Makes the U.S.A. look like a safe haven!

http://www.businessinsider.com/1homi...gin-islands-13

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

BTW Honduras is on top at 82.1 homicides per 100K.

Some surprising runner ups.

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Puerto Rico 26.2

Jamaica 52.1

Makes the U.S.A. look like a safe haven!

http://www.businessinsider.com/1homi...gin-islands-13

Should have said except Englewood, a neighborhood of Chicago consisting of about 30,000 residents and a murder rate of 200 per 100,000, more than double the rate of world leading Honduras.

[bigrun]

Few years old story but time for sentencing..

Ahead of sentencing, mom fears fate of boy who killed neo-Nazi father 'looks really dim'.

A boy who was 10 years old when he fatally shot his neo-Nazi father behind the ear at point-blank range is due to be sentenced Friday, and both his mother and his attorney fear what could happen to him if he ends up in a facility without round-the clock supervision.

Joseph Hall, now 13, has been living in Riverside County, Calif.'s juvenile hall since the killing of his father two years ago, regional neo-Nazi leader Jeff Hall.

On Friday, a hearing will determine how Joseph should be punished for the second-degree murder he was convicted of in January, and will decide where he'll live out the rest of his adolescent years — and possibly early adulthood.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...eally-dim?lite

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Do you all realize homicides by guns are at their lowest rates since 1981? That in 1993 we had 7 gun homicides per 100K while today the rate is 3.6 per 100K (almost half?).

The gun violence problem is greatly exaggerated by those with a anti-gun stance. If those same people realized in 2010 suicides by gun were almost double homicides by gun it may become clear this is more of a choice issue. Similar to the choice afforded to a mother of an unwanted embryo.

Just wish we could find a way to convince shooters to kill themselves before killing others and many of these mass shootings could be avoided w/o impeding lawful residents with needless/endless regulations.

The problem with those stats, Dell, which the NY Times article touches on, is that it depends on what the police choose to call a "homicide" and what they call an "accident." Data is only as good as the collection method, and the challenge is that you don't know if the police reported accurately.

Kind of like how "pit bulls," which isn't even an actual dog breed, are listed as the dog in the majority of fatal dog attacks, but the report of the dogs' breed is based on police report or witness identification. And many dogs get misidentified as "pit bulls."

However, unlike guns, dogs actually get banned by cities.

Useless trivia- while "pit bulls" are the dogs at the top of fatal dog attacks, the dogs in the top three spots for dog bites are German Shepherds, Chows and... Golden Retrievers!

Personally, I bet Chihuahuas are actually number one, but people are just too embarrassed to admit they got bitten by a little rat dog.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

However, unlike guns, dogs actually get banned by cities.
.

Except Chicago where until just recently handguns were banned, even in one's own home. The Supreme Court rightfully ruled for plaintiff McDonald over the City however unlike other past civil rights violations, citizens who were violated in this case received no compensation.

[bigrun]

Landsberry coached several youth sports. He also served two tours in Afghanistan with the Nevada National Guard and was well-known in the school community, Sparks Mayor Geno Martini said. Landsberry served in the Marine Corps from 1986 to 1990 and was stationed in Camp Lejeune, N.C., and Okinawa, Japan, according to military records.

Police: Nev. middle school student who killed teacher, himself brought handgun from home..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...2c7_story.html

From the eve news sounds like the kid shooter may have been bullied..

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Except Chicago where until just recently handguns were banned, even in one's own home. The Supreme Court rightfully ruled for plaintiff McDonald over the City however unlike other past civil rights violations, citizens who were violated in this case received no compensation.

And that was a fairly old law, yes? The point is, there are no new gun control laws being passed, yet somehow people are turrified dat Obamma's gunna tek der gunssss....

Speaking of "responsible" gun owners:

http://gawker.com/unsecured-ar-15-st...hom-1450289582

This is the same Congresswoman who said she wasn't refusing her paycheck during the shutdown because she needed it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And that was a fairly old law, yes? The point is, there are no new gun control laws being passed, yet somehow people are turrified dat Obamma's gunna tek der gunssss.....

It was in place from the '70's to 2010. Actually it was crafted where you needed a license to own a handgun in Chicago yet there was no such thing as a license. Many in Chicago are still trying to work a way around the Supreme Court's decision yet those same people are fighting a mandatory/minimum of 3 years (80% minimum served) law for felony gun use both Sen. Kirk and Rahm Emanuel support that is now being pushed. Still no gun stores in Chicago as they are illegal.

Imagine a city outlawing abortion clinics while allowing abortions, with a background check, as long as it takes place somewhere else?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...hots.html?_r=0