Pacific Classic Official time vs trakus

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It really is scary. I catch bad times every day all around the country, and probably miss as many as I catch. But a G1, million dollar race? That is pathetic.

doug's posts on EVD 'timing' has put me off wanting to go there. it's ridiculous. no excuse for it. and to have trakus, and still not get it right. it's just crazy.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

doug's posts on EVD 'timing' has put me off wanting to go there. it's ridiculous. no excuse for it. and to have trakus, and still not get it right. it's just crazy.

does EVD have trakus?

It seems in this case Trakus has it right and has found a human error.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

does EVD have trakus?

It seems in this case Trakus has it right and has found a human error.

EvD does not have Trakus, but the errors are definitely human. It is unfathomable how bad the person that operates the timer there is. Further, we've pointed it out to the track and Equibase, and they don't care.

The one I liked best was the photo Doug sent me of a horse about three or four strides from the wire and the final time was already displayed...and that same time appeared in the official chart.

[10 pnt move up]

Its just another sad case that the tracks don't have much care for the player, I am sure Equibase relies on the track data, you go to the effort to make them aware but I am sure two guys (gals) in an office look at it from a whats in it for us to care about this.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Its just another sad case that the tracks don't have much care for the player, I am sure Equibase relies on the track data, you go to the effort to make them aware but I am sure two guys (gals) in an office look at it from a whats in it for us to care about this.

I've dealt with Equibase a lot these last few years, and they really do try to help. The tracks themselves, not so much.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

does EVD have trakus?

It seems in this case Trakus has it right and has found a human error.

i doubt they do, especially considering the glaring errors he showed in that thread.

[freddymo]

If Game on ran a 105 then its the fastest 105 in the history of the sport and while all 105's aren't created equally all 105's should be 105. That SOB was cooking

[randallscott35]

I don't see why the 105 is so hard to believe. Huge figs on Synthetic are hard to come by similar to turf....people get too hung up on this. IMO

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I don't see why the 105 is so hard to believe. Huge figs on Synthetic are hard to come by similar to turf....people get too hung up on this. IMO

Generally fast figures on turf have to do with slow paces, this was not the case here, and the final time was very quick.

Timeform has it correct anyways, thats all that matters to me.

[randallscott35]

The rest of the horses didn't fire. Was stacked up behind with claimers as close as Graded winners back there. Nice race by Game On but the winning margin was a mirage.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I don't see why the 105 is so hard to believe. Huge figs on Synthetic are hard to come by similar to turf....people get too hung up on this. IMO

A horse wins a grade 1 million dollar race by a pole against some pretty solid horses and you think 105 makes sense?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

A horse wins a grade 1 million dollar race by a pole against some pretty solid horses and you think 105 makes sense?

See above...I'm not saying 105 is correct, but what does it matter. Would 110 make you happier? The purse is the same. Time only matters in jail.

[cmorioles]

The top row is the 2013 race, the bottom row the 2012 race. I took a snapshot of each race when the opening of the starting gate is complete and noted the time in 100ths of a second on the video. I then took a similar snapshot as close as possible to the first horse hitting the wire for the first time, the 1/4 mile. Granted, these times are not perfect, but they are very close.

I then simply subtract the time I noted at the starting gate from the time I note on the finish line the 1st time.

2013	Break to finish		 30.33 -   5.64 =  24.69 Reported:  24.19
2012	Break to finish		 33.73 -   8.51 =  25.22 Reported:  23.61

Projected 2013 actual 1/4 mile time:  
24.69 - (25.22 - 23.61) = 23.08 (Trakus 22.91)

I think that is pretty clear evidence that Trakus is MUCH closer (and probably dead on) to the real time than the teletimer was for this race.