Caixa Eletronica

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

This isn't about the racing office writing a race for a particular owner/trainer. It happens, and I don't have a problem with it. This is about how the NYRA racing office has uniformly interpreted the following "condition eligibility" provision in the fine print of the NYRA condition book:

CONDITION ELIGIBILITY
Preference by conditions beginning with graded stakes winners, open stakes winners within
the race condition providing they have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th for $40,000 or more since
starting for less than $40,000 (New York Bred races $25,000).
Starter races for less than $20,000 will be considered claiming races for condition eligibility.

The language in question goes back to when Mike Lakow was the racing secretary and NYRA was running few, if any, starter allowance/handicaps. The purpose of the provision was that, in oversubscribed allowance races, horses that had run recently in either claiming or starter races would have last preference and often be relegated to the AE list. (Now, this most often impacts NY-bred NW1X allowance races.)

The issue as it relates to the starter races is that, when a horse runs in a starter for less than $20,000, the NYRA racing office has interpreted the condition eligibility provision (ostensibly aimed at establishing preference for allowance races) as if the horse actually ran for the tag less than $20,000. The bizarre result is that Caixa Electronica ran for $16,000 in May 2009; and that was the last time that he actually ran for a tag less than $62,500. However, because he ran in a $16,000 starter handicap in August 2010 and again in August 2011, he is treated the same as a horse that actually started for a $16,000 claiming tag in 2010 and 2011, even though he ran protected in both spots. By interpreting the provision this way, so long as the owner of the horse is smart enough to "re-qualify" his or her horse by running in a starter for less than $20,000, the horse will have perpetual eligibility for the condition, even though he could have never been claimed during the lookback period.

Or until the racing secretary writes the condition differently by excluding certain types of horses such as winners of x amount in certain period of time or excluding stake winners from gaining the condition eligibility via starter races.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Or until the racing secretary writes the condition differently by excluding certain types of horses such as winners of x amount in certain period of time or excluding stake winners from gaining the condition eligibility via starter races.

All they really need to do is distinguish between allowance and starter races, and revise the provision to state that, for the purpose of starter races, the horse actually had to be entered to be claimed for the price during the lookback period in order to be eligible for the starter race.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

All they really need to do is distinguish between allowance and starter races, and revise the provision to state that, for the purpose of starter races, the horse actually had to be entered to be claimed for the price during the lookback period in order to be eligible for the starter race.

This is exactly right. Without doing so, this horse will be eligible basically as long as he is still racing and steps back down into a starter race now and then. Hard to believe they haven't altered the rule yet. He wouldn't be eligible for a starter race on any other circuit in the country.

[MISTERGEE]

side note to give hope to those who claim horses, I believe this horse was claimed for 16k when it was running at CRC and was trained by Juan Arias, owned by Richard Rowan

[TouchOfGrey]

Aug 30, 2013
SAR Race 3
Post Time: 3:34 Surface: Dirt

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7 Furlongs | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up | STARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING | Purse: $70,000

1 Caixa Eletronica J. Castellano 130 Lbs T. Pletcher L
2 Saginaw J. Alvarado 130 Lbs D. Jacobson L
3 Maui Mark L. Saez 116 Lbs R. Hess, Jr. L
4 Private Tale J. Velazquez 116 Lbs M. Trombetta L
5 Tummel J. Rocco, Jr. 116 Lbs M. Friedman L
6 Kingsford Drive R. Maragh 116 Lbs B. Brown L
7 Bernie the Maestro R. Napravnik 116 Lbs M. Maker L
8 Where's Danny (IRE) M. Luzzi 116 Lbs G. DiSanto L
9 Metaurus R. Albarado 116 Lbs G. Sciacca L

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey

Aug 30, 2013
SAR Race 3
Post Time: 3:34 Surface: Dirt

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7 Furlongs | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up | STARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING | Purse: $70,000

1 Caixa Eletronica J. Castellano 130 Lbs T. Pletcher L
2 Saginaw J. Alvarado 130 Lbs D. Jacobson L
3 Maui Mark L. Saez 116 Lbs R. Hess, Jr. L
4 Private Tale J. Velazquez 116 Lbs M. Trombetta L
5 Tummel J. Rocco, Jr. 116 Lbs M. Friedman L
6 Kingsford Drive R. Maragh 116 Lbs B. Brown L
7 Bernie the Maestro R. Napravnik 116 Lbs M. Maker L
8 Where's Danny (IRE) M. Luzzi 116 Lbs G. DiSanto L
9 Metaurus R. Albarado 116 Lbs G. Sciacca L

At least Saginaw ran for a tag in 2012.

[pweizer]

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey

Aug 30, 2013
SAR Race 3
Post Time: 3:34 Surface: Dirt

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7 Furlongs | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up | STARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING | Purse: $70,000

1 Caixa Eletronica J. Castellano 130 Lbs T. Pletcher L
2 Saginaw J. Alvarado 130 Lbs D. Jacobson L
3 Maui Mark L. Saez 116 Lbs R. Hess, Jr. L
4 Private Tale J. Velazquez 116 Lbs M. Trombetta L
5 Tummel J. Rocco, Jr. 116 Lbs M. Friedman L
6 Kingsford Drive R. Maragh 116 Lbs B. Brown L
7 Bernie the Maestro R. Napravnik 116 Lbs M. Maker L
8 Where's Danny (IRE) M. Luzzi 116 Lbs G. DiSanto L
9 Metaurus R. Albarado 116 Lbs G. Sciacca L

This race is no walkover. Interesting...

Paul

[cmorioles]

Odds one of the two scratches, 1-5.