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Old 11-20-2006, 12:44 PM
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Real fair Oracle?

Ohio St. goes 2-0 vs. Michigan and wins Nat. Championship
Michigan goes 1-1 vs. Ohio State and wins Nat. Championship.

No way. MOve on.

Next. Ohio St. really outplayed them badly despite the score. I thought Michigan's defense got ripped. Next please. USC or Florida , West Virginia or even Arkansas (not even close to the same team that got trounced by USC 1st game) I would even accept ND, dont think they beat USC though.

BUT NOT MICHIGAN AGAIN. ITS DONE.

playoffs, will we ever see them in my lifetime...
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Old 11-20-2006, 12:53 PM
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the reason the rematch should be null and void is we don't know the strength of the Big Ten~ it looks top-heavy to me with OSU, Michigan & Wisconsin: and OSU didn't even play Wisconsin, The SEC has 5 teams in the BCS top 15!
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Old 11-20-2006, 12:54 PM
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Real fair Oracle?

Ohio St. goes 2-0 vs. Michigan and wins Nat. Championship
Michigan goes 1-1 vs. Ohio State and wins Nat. Championship.

No way. MOve on.

Next. Ohio St. really outplayed them badly despite the score. I thought Michigan's defense got ripped. Next please. USC or Florida , West Virginia or even Arkansas (not even close to the same team that got trounced by USC 1st game) I would even accept ND, dont think they beat USC though.

BUT NOT MICHIGAN AGAIN. ITS DONE.

playoffs, will we ever see them in my lifetime...

So you think the Florida Florida St rematch was unfair?
Only thing that woulda been unfair that year woulda been Florida losing the championship due to a narrow road loss vs FSU. They were the two best teams, they rematched on a neutral field, and Florida pounded the hell out of them.
Very deserving national champs they were.
I'm sorry but regualr season games aren't played on a neutral site.
You obviously don't realize the 3-4 point advantage given by vegas(if they don't know, who does?) to the home team. Any road loss falling within that margin of error is conisidred close enough to have the game designated as one that neither team distinguished superiority.
Its not like NFL playoff football, where the home team in playoffs has earned it by superior regualr season record, its simply an every other year swap thing.
One question Pgard, I'll give you three matchups
OSU- Florida
OSU-USC
OSU- Michigan

which game has the closest vegas spread between the teams?
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:08 PM
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I thought the FSU deal was unfair
college gives you home field advantage one year, and away the next
if you get beat away, wait until next year
plus why does Vegas have any say in the National Championship?
OSU could not have gone through this minefield:
at Tennessee
Alabama
LSU
at auburn
UGA
SEC Championship: vs. Arkansas
without suffering a loss, no way
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:11 PM
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I thought the FSU deal was unfair
college gives you home field advantage one year, and away the next
if you get beat away, wait until next year
plus why does Vegas have any say in the National Championship?
OSU could not have gone through this minefield:
at Tennessee
Alabama
LSU
at auburn
UGA
SEC Championship: vs. Arkansas
without suffering a loss, no way
Yeah they could have.
Tennesee? Just ok
Same with Auburn and LSU.
Georgia? not even as good as the other three.
Arkansas probably best of the bunch you named.

Answer my question, which matchup has the closest spread.
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:41 PM
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mike in my opinion


usc vs mich - line would be pick'em on a neutral site (vegas takes away 3 points cause of llyod carr and his staff)

USC and MICH both favored over Florida by 3 - 5 points

All on a neutral field of course
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:08 PM
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Anyone but Notre Dame. Beating up on the three service acadamies should get you nothing in return. Man up join a real conference Notre Dame.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:12 PM
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Anyone but Notre Dame. Beating up on the three service acadamies should get you nothing in return. Man up join a real conference Notre Dame.
Dude this is ridiculous.
Georgia tech on the Road.
USC on the road.
Mich St on the Road.
Michigan home.
Penn St home

Thats a tougher schedule than most teams. Obviously the SEC is hardest, but ND's schedule contains enough tough games to certainly call it no joke.
I guess playing arizona and zona st, the oregons, etc is a real toughy huh?
pac 10 is the weakest conference going.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:12 PM
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OSU- Florida
OSU-USC
OSU- Michigan

which game has the closest vegas spread between the teams?
Depends on how badly Florida trashes ARkansas or USc dismantles ND. If USC destroys ND it would be USC.

And what the hell does the spread have to do with anything? You rate Michigan highly for one major reason, they destroyed Notre Dame in South Bend. Michigan has played one really tough team, Ohio State. The Big 10 is BAD. I had them ranked as the toughest conference at the beginnng but I have seen too much on TV. As much as I hate to admit it because I am not a big fan of the pac-10 but...
1. SEC
2. Pac-10

I have watched many of these games and this is apparent to me. The other major conferences are about the same level.
I will also add that if ND crushes USC, I would like to see them against OSU. I just dont think thats gonna happen. If it does, and Florida does not look good against Ark. in the SEC title game. OSU-ND. Problem is as we look thru a season as a whole, in hindsight it is clear ND schedule was not nearly as tough as I thought it was going to be. And they got away with some really lucky wins against bad teams, Mich St. and UCLA.

LSU is the best team I personally have seen. They have not played the best football though.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:17 PM
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Depends on how badly Florida trashes ARkansas or USc dismantles ND. If USC destroys ND it would be USC.

And what the hell does the spread have to do with anything? You rate Michigan highly for one major reason, they destroyed Notre Dame in South Bend. Michigan has played one really tough team, Ohio State. The Big 10 is BAD. I had them ranked as the toughest conference at the beginnng but I have seen too much on TV. As much as I hate to admit it because I am not a big fan of the pac-10 but...
1. SEC
2. Pac-10

I have watched many of these games and this is apparent to me. The other major conferences are about the same level.
I will also add that if ND crushes USC, I would like to see them against OSU. I just dont think thats gonna happen. If it does, and Florida does not look good against Ark. in the SEC title game. OSU-ND. Problem is as we look thru a season as a whole, in hindsight it is clear ND schedule was not nearly as tough as I thought it was going to be. And they got away with some really lucky wins against bad teams, Mich St. and UCLA.

LSU is the best team I personally have seen. They have not played the best football though.

I'm the biggest ND fan out there, and that being said placing them in the title game over Michigan would be an embarassment to all sports.
Michigan humiliated ND at the Golden Dome. No way in hell can anyone, not even a ND fan like me, justify that crap.
When you lose shouldnt matter, where you lose and who you lose to and how you lose should.
How the **** do you place ND with a home loss against Mich in over Mich who has a road loss by a field goal to number one?
Thats gotta be the stupidest thing I ever heard, and you are talking to a guy with ND stuff on his wall, Pgard, my cell phone plays the ND fight song when it rings, I'm not kidding you, I downloaded it.
But I'm no biased guy, I want ND and Weis to win a championship so very badly, I can taste it. But I don't want a tainted one, I want one where we are the best and earn it on the field. I don't want one wheer we go into a game where we don't belong and everyone says its bull****.
I want ND to earn one, just like your team did last year, Texas. I want a real one that they earn. ND has no business being in a game above Mich, none.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:27 PM
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I would also contend that OSU had the luxary of playing in a weak Big 10, didn't even have to play the third best team in the league, AND does not even have a conference championship game~ I mean WTF!
One Big Ten team, that's it, if it's two then it'll be a real travesty, a sham, a mockery of the highest proportions imaginable
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:30 PM
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I would also contend that OSU had the luxary of playing in a weak Big 10, didn't even have to play the third best team in the league, AND does not even have a conference championship game~ I mean WTF!
One Big Ten team, that's it, if it's two then it'll be a real travesty, a sham, a mockery of the highest proportions imaginable
Ok bellamy, lemme ask you this. If they did have a championship game it would still be those two at a neutral site, what would you suggest should happen if such a thing did exist and Mich won the neutral site game? Which one goes?
Mich gets penalized for a lack of game, not helped.
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Old 11-20-2006, 02:22 PM
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Ok bellamy, lemme ask you this. If they did have a championship game it would still be those two at a neutral site, what would you suggest should happen if such a thing did exist and Mich won the neutral site game? Which one goes?
Mich gets penalized for a lack of game, not helped.
that would actually make sense
if UM won, then you could justify a rubber match
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:52 PM
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I'm the biggest ND fan out there, and that being said placing them in the title game over Michigan would be an embarassment to all sports.
Michigan humiliated ND at the Golden Dome. No way in hell can anyone, not even a ND fan like me, justify that crap.
When you lose shouldnt matter, where you lose and who you lose to and how you lose should.
How the **** do you place ND with a home loss against Mich in over Mich who has a road loss by a field goal to number one?
Thats gotta be the stupidest thing I ever heard, and you are talking to a guy with ND stuff on his wall, Pgard, my cell phone plays the ND fight song when it rings, I'm not kidding you, I downloaded it.
But I'm no biased guy, I want ND and Weis to win a championship so very badly, I can taste it. But I don't want a tainted one, I want one where we are the best and earn it on the field. I don't want one wheer we go into a game where we don't belong and everyone says its bull****.
I want ND to earn one, just like your team did last year, Texas. I want a real one that they earn. ND has no business being in a game above Mich, none.
No wonder you don't answer. Just remember I don't hear that ring on the other end.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:58 PM
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Got a letter from Bob Knight once for winning the Basketball Sectional in HS.

Got a letter once from Sam Carmichael (IU's Golf Coach) for congratuating me on making the State Tournament in Golf, just to be told later on in the Summer in a face-to-face meeting ,that I wouldn't be good enough to make the team.
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:27 PM
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No wonder you don't answer. Just remember I don't hear that ring on the other end.
Dude, you always call when I'm on the other line. I deal with sociopaths and lunatics all day long. The other night when you called I saw you beep through, but iwas explaining to some lunatic who wanted 8 times what a horse was worth why I thought he needed counseling.
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:51 PM
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Dude, you always call when I'm on the other line. I deal with sociopaths and lunatics all day long. The other night when you called I saw you beep through, but iwas explaining to some lunatic who wanted 8 times what a horse was worth why I thought he needed counseling.
does Seattle fall into this category?
Seattle... Seattle... we need some game film.
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Old 11-20-2006, 05:02 PM
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Dude, you always call when I'm on the other line. I deal with sociopaths and lunatics all day long. The other night when you called I saw you beep through, but iwas explaining to some lunatic who wanted 8 times what a horse was worth why I thought he needed counseling.
Lets see add psychologist to the resume. LOL!
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:24 PM
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By the way, I can understand the argument for Florida they win the SEC and finish with only one loss, a road loss to a decent Auburn team,
I can understand that, even iF I disagree, because of how hard it is for SEC teams with that tough schedule.
I cannot understand ND, and worst of all is the USC argument.
This is insane, it really is.
Of those one loss teams, the worst loss anybody took was USC's. Should we pretend they didn't get beat by an unranked team?
Fla's loss was to Auburn, ND's to Mich, USC's was to the school for the blind.
This is utter nonsense.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:27 PM
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By the way, I can understand the argument for Florida they win the SEC and finish with only one loss, a road loss to a decent Auburn team,
I can understand that, even iF I disagree, because of how hard it is for SEC teams with that tough schedule.
I cannot understand ND, and worst of all is the USC argument.
This is insane, it really is.
Of those one loss teams, the worst loss anybody took was USC's. Should we pretend they didn't get beat by an unranked team?
Fla's loss was to Auburn, ND's to Mich, USC's was to the school for the blind.
This is utter nonsense.
this coming from a guy who probably hasnt even stepped on to a football field
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