34 Derby/Oaks runners from 18 trainers..

[pointman]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I concur. I'm no Pletcher fan either.

Are you saying that because Baffert only has 2 in this group this year?

How is Baffert different than Pletcher?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by pointman

Are you saying that because Baffert only has 2 in this group this year?

How is Baffert different than Pletcher?

Baffert wins these races, recently won the Oaks and had how many Derby wins? Pletcher runs a lot of hopeless horses just to run.

[Dahoss]

I was sort of wondering how you would avoid answering that question. Well done.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I was sort of wondering how you would avoid answering that question. Well done.

I think I answered it. I'm open to discuss it more.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think I answered it. I'm open to discuss it more.

Think again. You avoided it.

How is Baffert any different than Pletcher when Baffert gets so many horses also?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Think again. You avoided it.

How is Baffert any different than Pletcher when Baffert gets so many horses also?

Big picture it's no different. I do believe Baffert has run more well intended horses in triple crown races then Pletcher.

[Kasept]

If you're looking for differences between the two, Baffert doesn't have anywhere near the stock in number that Pletcher does. Over the last 4 years, Baffert has averaged 500 starts while Pletcher averages 1,000. To put that in perspective, Mott has 600/year, McPeek 500/year, McGaughey 250/year. Interestingly, Baffert over that period outperformed Pletcher, averaging $24,364 in earnings per start while Pletcher averaged $18,923.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

Are you saying that because Baffert only has 2 in this group this year?

How is Baffert different than Pletcher?

he's not. everyone remembers his entering a horse that he had no intention of running a few years back, just to prevent another from getting in. every horse he runs in a prep gets treated like a derby horse. hell, they can have two wins in two lifetime starts and achieve favoritism in a grade one, cause it's a baffert horse.

i'm sick of pletcher, sick of baffert. it's ridiculous.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he's not. everyone remembers his entering a horse that he had no intention of running a few years back, just to prevent another from getting in. every horse he runs in a prep gets treated like a derby horse. hell, they can have two wins in two lifetime starts and achieve favoritism in a grade one, cause it's a baffert horse.

i'm sick of pletcher, sick of baffert. it's ridiculous.

Baffert is no saint. I'm a fan clearly, but I know he does some wrong. As far as entering horses to block other horses I think we are on the right path to stoping that with the new point system. You have to route and route successfully to be eligible I think that's a good step in the right direction. Having horses like Trinniberg ruin a potential triple crown winner does nothing good for racing.