LOL!!! House Democrats choose Hoyer

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

ArlJ,
Not if Repubs put up Trent (I like Strom) Lott and George (Macaca) Allen.
Do you think Foley will be a possible vp candidate and Abramoff will get on parole in time to be a big fund raiser?
At this point, I'm looking at all possibles.

If you want to look at all possibilties that's fine.
I prefer to stick with those that have even a remote chance.
I take it that you're just joking about the Republicans you mentioned.

Back to Kerry or Gore, what I'm saying is that they have no chance of getting the dem nomination so it doesn't matter if they could beat whoever the Reps put up.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

If you want to look at all possibilties that's fine.
I prefer to stick with those that have even a remote chance.
I take it that you're just joking about the Republicans you mentioned.

Back to Kerry or Gore, what I'm saying is that they have no chance of getting the dem nomination so it doesn't matter if they could beat whoever the Reps put up.

ArlJ,
Of course I'm not taking many things seriously at this point.
The Dems won't be counting on Gore (though he's gotten environmental issues going again)...maybe Sec of Interior? and Kerry...nope.
If the Repubs are hanging their hat on McCain, seems that he's swimmin' against the tide on Iraq. We'll see. All the neocons are bailing on Dubbya and the best hope for him is a "face saving" strategy, soon to be put forth by Daddy's buddies.
Rudy has no shot IMHO. He's already proven how capable he is...where did he move the command center? Yeah...good thinking.
And the rescuers were told by HIM, it's safe there, no need for protective gear, breathing protection...duh!
Mitt from Mass? Maybe, but I don't think he'll play with the evangelicals...isn't Mass the only state that allows gay marriage? Who was gov? The Repubs are running out of possibles, unless they try one of the racists again...and look where that got them.
What is Dan Quayle doing these days?
The Dems have a long way to go, but, if they get past the stumble of the first week, wait for Baker's report, and play their cards (Edwards) right, they might have a shot.
btw...The one and only Dubbya veto was about stem cells. He has made "executive modifications" to many that he's signed. I'l have to google it, but it's close to 600. Last minute rewrites before signing.
The Dems have two years minus one week to get something together.
Maybe they'll do a little better than the past six from the ones that made what we've got.
We'll see.
DTS

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

ArlJ,
Of course I'm not taking many things seriously at this point.
The Dems won't be counting on Gore (though he's gotten environmental issues going again)...maybe Sec of Interior? and Kerry...nope.
If the Repubs are hanging their hat on McCain, seems that he's swimmin' against the tide on Iraq. We'll see. All the neocons are bailing on Dubbya and the best hope for him is a "face saving" strategy, soon to be put forth by Daddy's buddies.
Rudy has no shot IMHO. He's already proven how capable he is...where did he move the command center? Yeah...good thinking.
And the rescuers were told by HIM, it's safe there, no need for protective gear, breathing protection...duh!
Mitt from Mass? Maybe, but I don't think he'll play with the evangelicals...isn't Mass the only state that allows gay marriage? Who was gov? The Repubs are running out of possibles, unless they try one of the racists again...and look where that got them.
What is Dan Quayle doing these days?
The Dems have a long way to go, but, if they get past the stumble of the first week, wait for Baker's report, and play their cards (Edwards) right, they might have a shot.
btw...The one and only Dubbya veto was about stem cells. He has made "executive modifications" to many that he's signed. I'l have to google it, but it's close to 600. Last minute rewrites before signing.
The Dems have two years minus one week to get something together.
Maybe they'll do a little better than the past six from the ones that made what we've got.
We'll see.
DTS

I kinda agree with your Rep assessment. McCain- shaky, Rudy - no way, after that it gets into people without name recognition which means you need someone charismatic with ideas. I think Mitt is a dark horse who will do well for these reasons. I really don't know how his religion will play into it but I don't think it will be a huge detriment. The evangelicals? where will they go if Mitt won the nom? Would they bail out on the party? don't think so. But if the reps again put these types front and center, they'll lose.

its early, lots can happen.

I have to say thought that as bad as the Rep situation looks, it is not much prettier on the Dem side. there are big problems for all of the main characters.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I kinda agree with your Rep assessment. McCain- shaky, Rudy - no way, after that it gets into people without name recognition which means you need someone charismatic with ideas. I think Mitt is a dark horse who will do well for these reasons. I really don't know how his religion will play into it but I don't think it will be a huge detriment. The evangelicals? where will they go if Mitt won the nom? Would they bail out on the party? don't think so. But if the reps again put these types front and center, they'll lose.

its early, lots can happen.

I have to say thought that as bad as the Rep situation looks, it is not much prettier on the Dem side. there are big problems for all of the main characters.

Arlj,
You could be completely right on this.
I don't think the "gay marriage" deal will play with the "religious right" at all, and though Mitt has shown good stuff regarding bringing things into balance after the "big dig", my guess is that the evangelicals will look elsewhere.
It is early. Lots can happen.
Seems that the Repubs still have to play the "commander-in-chief's" hand, and we'll just have to see how that plays.
If Baker comes to the rescue, fine with me. I have my doubts.
The "objectives" have gone through redefinition after redefinition.
Some people don't forget.
Like Edwards, I'll watch. If he picks Obama to run with, the Dems might show some hope.
The Repubs have to put out better than what they've got. Darkhorse?
I don't see one yet, but plenty of time.
We'll see.
It's interesting.
DTS

[Rileyoriley]

Kerry no longer has Kennedy behind him like he did in 2004. Kennedy (the Kennedy who will never be in the White House but desperately wants to be) saw his chance go down the tubes after Kerry lost the election. It was Kennedy's words you were hearing from Kerry's mouth back then. Now Kerry's speaking for himself and well, we see where that's got him.

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Kerry no longer has Kennedy behind him like he did in 2004. Kennedy (the Kennedy who will never be in the White House but desperately wants to be) saw his chance go down the tubes after Kerry lost the election. It was Kennedy's words you were hearing from Kerry's mouth back then. Now Kerry's speaking for himself and well, we see where that's got him.

Edward is clearly the candidate that is most electable.
Even repubs like me don't have a negative stance on him and would vote for him if he proves his mettle and the repub candidate doesn't meet the needs.
Dems need to moderate, in case noone's told them strong defense and lack of handouts to those who don't deserve them is where mainstream USA stands. Kerry and Gore and Hilary represent the ideals of the old Dems.
They need a fresh face like Edwards to win it.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Edward is clearly the candidate that is most electable.
Even repubs like me don't have a negative stance on him and would vote for him if he proves his mettle and the repub candidate doesn't meet the needs.
Dems need to moderate, in case noone's told them strong defense and lack of handouts to those who don't deserve them is where mainstream USA stands. Kerry and Gore and Hilary represent the ideals of the old Dems.
They need a fresh face like Edwards to win it.

Big-O: Edwards is an "ambulance chaser" in the mold of John Grishams' "King of Torts"! Just ask his constituents!