Has any horse in history ever done less & was 12/1 to win the Derby two months out?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by pweizer

It doesn't look like Flashback is facing any killers in the San Felipe this Saturday where he will be odds on. If he wins (and I will certainly look to bet against), he will have much lower derby odds soon.

Paul

There are a couple of interesting, if unproven, challengers in there.

We will know a lot more about Flashback after this race, and I expect that he will be overbet Saturday as well, though odds-on would be kind of ridiculous if the field stays intact.

[pweizer]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

There are a couple of interesting, if unproven, challengers in there.

We will know a lot more about Flashback after this race, and I expect that he will be overbet Saturday as well, though odds-on would be kind of ridiculous if the field stays intact.

Who are you looking at in the field?

And given the hype and the Baffert factor, I would bet he goes off odds on.

Paul

[letswastemoney]

Tiz a Minister might be interesting considering he failed on synthetic and turf for most of his career, before winning a state-bred dirt stakes race over Omega Star. Maybe Tiz a Minister is a quality dirt horse.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by pweizer

Who are you looking at in the field?

And given the hype and the Baffert factor, I would bet he goes off odds on.

It's a race where you have a lot of directions to look and a ton of early speed. There will certainly be no free ride on the lead this time.

This race will also be a huge test for Goldencents...who won the Delta Jackpot in a race where It'smyluckyday was wide throughout and up the track. Obviously, It'smyluckyday has improved a ton at GP since.

Salutos Amigos and Hear the Ghost are probably going to be pace casualties, but they are very interesting prospects who might have a look coming out of this race.

Even Kochees, who will be a massive longshot, his one dirt race looks real good on our numbers and he will get a lot of pace help.

This is a true test for Flashback though. He's not going to get a candy front-end trip. There might not be a high quality closer in here, so he will have to adapt accordingly.

[pweizer]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

It's a race where you have a lot of directions to look and a ton of early speed. There will certainly be no free ride on the lead this time.

This race will also be a huge test for Goldencents...who won the Delta Jackpot in a race where It'smyluckyday was wide throughout and up the track. Obviously, It'smyluckyday has improved a ton at GP since.

Salutos Amigos and Hear the Ghost are probably going to be pace casualties, but they are very interesting prospects who might have a look coming out of this race.

Even Kochees, who will be a massive longshot, his one dirt race looks real good on our numbers and he will get a lot of pace help.

This is a true test for Flashback though. He's not going to get a candy front-end trip. There might not be a high quality closer in here, so he will have to adapt accordingly.

What about Omega Star? He should like the extra distance and will benefit from pace dynamics.

Paul

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by pweizer

What about Omega Star? He should like the extra distance and will benefit from pace dynamics.

Paul

I don't know that he's good enough, but he certainly project a perfect trip.

[santana]

I am just hoping Flashback is the real deal, just like i think he is....

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

It's a race where you have a lot of directions to look and a ton of early speed. There will certainly be no free ride on the lead this time.

This race will also be a huge test for Goldencents...who won the Delta Jackpot in a race where It'smyluckyday was wide throughout and up the track. Obviously, It'smyluckyday has improved a ton at GP since.

Salutos Amigos and Hear the Ghost are probably going to be pace casualties, but they are very interesting prospects who might have a look coming out of this race.

Even Kochees, who will be a massive longshot, his one dirt race looks real good on our numbers and he will get a lot of pace help.

This is a true test for Flashback though. He's not going to get a candy front-end trip. There might not be a high quality closer in here, so he will have to adapt accordingly.

Kochees adds blinkers 1st time and I think that moves him forward, energy looks good. Morning line for him is 15-1 so the price should be right.