LOL!!! House Democrats choose Hoyer

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Jerry...the problem is that for the next two years, Congress can't really accomplish much...Bush can and will veto anything he wishes. The Dems must keep control in the next election AND take the White House to enact change! Will the public be patient or will they look back on the upcoming two years and blame Congress for "big talk and no action"...it's hard to say! Elect the right person in 08 and change can occur...otherwise...more same old same old!

thats where Al Gore will come into play, and hopefully when the Kerry people have deemed its time to get his face back in the running

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

thats where Al Gore will come into play, and hopefully when the Kerry people have deemed its time to get his face back in the running

Thats pretty funny Jerry! LOL!!
Kerry sunk any small chance he had with his "witty" comments about not studying and ending up in the military.
No dem can win the presidency without some appeal to the moderates in the red states.
Gore's a dinosaur.
Hilary ain't electable and you know it.
Its gonna be Edwards I'd think. Hes been pretty smart, pretty smart indeed.
Hes done something simple but brilliant, hes stayed out of the press and avoided making commentary on anything. The wind blows every which way in times of turmoil and terrorism like we have now. A comment that was fitting at the time of uttering it can turn out to be not so fitting one terrorist attack later.
Hes already got recognition from his VP run. Hes avoided making comments that and accusations that can be drudged up against him and he doesn't have a long liberal voting record.
The problem is that it looks as if the Dems will infight once again in the fight for the nomination, and it always hurts them.
Republicans really only have two candidates, McCain and Giualani and I think if Rudy truly wants it he will get it, and be elected president.
As a former federal prosecutor he has credentials as knowing the letter of the law and going after crime. As mayor he did a stunning job cleaning up NYC, and particularly going after crime. His actions during 911 may indeed have been little more than a lot of words, but he can truly say he will go after terrorism and knows of its effects more than anyone.
His true value is that he could be the first Republican since Reagen to carry Ny and its vast number of electoral votes. Upstate NY is HEAVILY republican but the City has always carried the Dems. Having been one of the most popular NYC mayors since LaGuardia, he could carry NYC and upstate would be a landslide.
Also have to factor in that Italian Americans would support him in masses. He has appeal as a "minority" of sorts attempting to become the countries first Italian American President. He also doesn't have a congressional voting record to be used against him.
I'm not sure yet that he really wants to be President, but if he does, I think its going to President Giulani in 2008.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

thats where Al Gore will come into play, and hopefully when the Kerry people have deemed its time to get his face back in the running

Here's an article on why Gore might be the dark horse for 2008. Looks like his waistline will tell the tale on whether he chooses to run...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=10967

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

thats where Al Gore will come into play, and hopefully when the Kerry people have deemed its time to get his face back in the running

Dude, i'm not sure if you're being serious or not. In case you are i have to tell you. Al Gore and J Kerry are done as far as presidential prospects. toast.
They're damaged goods. You've got to look for someone else.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Dude, i'm not sure if you're being serious or not. In case you are i have to tell you. Al Gore and J Kerry are done as far as presidential prospects. toast.
They're damaged goods. You've got to look for someone else.

ArlJ,
Not if Repubs put up Trent (I like Strom) Lott and George (Macaca) Allen.
Do you think Foley will be a possible vp candidate and Abramoff will get on parole in time to be a big fund raiser?
At this point, I'm looking at all possibles.

[Danzig]

trying to get gore or kerry elected againwould be like repubs going for dole again.
if that's the best the dems can do, it will be about as worthwhile an effort as the last time they tried--and failed.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

trying to get gore or kerry elected againwould be like repubs going for dole again.
if that's the best the dems can do, it will be about as worthwhile an effort as the last time they tried--and failed.

Exactly, it would be like resurrecting Dole, or Kemp, or even Qualye! (sp)

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

ArlJ,
Not if Repubs put up Trent (I like Strom) Lott and George (Macaca) Allen.
Do you think Foley will be a possible vp candidate and Abramoff will get on parole in time to be a big fund raiser?
At this point, I'm looking at all possibles.

If you want to look at all possibilties that's fine.
I prefer to stick with those that have even a remote chance.
I take it that you're just joking about the Republicans you mentioned.

Back to Kerry or Gore, what I'm saying is that they have no chance of getting the dem nomination so it doesn't matter if they could beat whoever the Reps put up.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

If you want to look at all possibilties that's fine.
I prefer to stick with those that have even a remote chance.
I take it that you're just joking about the Republicans you mentioned.

Back to Kerry or Gore, what I'm saying is that they have no chance of getting the dem nomination so it doesn't matter if they could beat whoever the Reps put up.

ArlJ,
Of course I'm not taking many things seriously at this point.
The Dems won't be counting on Gore (though he's gotten environmental issues going again)...maybe Sec of Interior? and Kerry...nope.
If the Repubs are hanging their hat on McCain, seems that he's swimmin' against the tide on Iraq. We'll see. All the neocons are bailing on Dubbya and the best hope for him is a "face saving" strategy, soon to be put forth by Daddy's buddies.
Rudy has no shot IMHO. He's already proven how capable he is...where did he move the command center? Yeah...good thinking.
And the rescuers were told by HIM, it's safe there, no need for protective gear, breathing protection...duh!
Mitt from Mass? Maybe, but I don't think he'll play with the evangelicals...isn't Mass the only state that allows gay marriage? Who was gov? The Repubs are running out of possibles, unless they try one of the racists again...and look where that got them.
What is Dan Quayle doing these days?
The Dems have a long way to go, but, if they get past the stumble of the first week, wait for Baker's report, and play their cards (Edwards) right, they might have a shot.
btw...The one and only Dubbya veto was about stem cells. He has made "executive modifications" to many that he's signed. I'l have to google it, but it's close to 600. Last minute rewrites before signing.
The Dems have two years minus one week to get something together.
Maybe they'll do a little better than the past six from the ones that made what we've got.
We'll see.
DTS

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

ArlJ,
Of course I'm not taking many things seriously at this point.
The Dems won't be counting on Gore (though he's gotten environmental issues going again)...maybe Sec of Interior? and Kerry...nope.
If the Repubs are hanging their hat on McCain, seems that he's swimmin' against the tide on Iraq. We'll see. All the neocons are bailing on Dubbya and the best hope for him is a "face saving" strategy, soon to be put forth by Daddy's buddies.
Rudy has no shot IMHO. He's already proven how capable he is...where did he move the command center? Yeah...good thinking.
And the rescuers were told by HIM, it's safe there, no need for protective gear, breathing protection...duh!
Mitt from Mass? Maybe, but I don't think he'll play with the evangelicals...isn't Mass the only state that allows gay marriage? Who was gov? The Repubs are running out of possibles, unless they try one of the racists again...and look where that got them.
What is Dan Quayle doing these days?
The Dems have a long way to go, but, if they get past the stumble of the first week, wait for Baker's report, and play their cards (Edwards) right, they might have a shot.
btw...The one and only Dubbya veto was about stem cells. He has made "executive modifications" to many that he's signed. I'l have to google it, but it's close to 600. Last minute rewrites before signing.
The Dems have two years minus one week to get something together.
Maybe they'll do a little better than the past six from the ones that made what we've got.
We'll see.
DTS

I kinda agree with your Rep assessment. McCain- shaky, Rudy - no way, after that it gets into people without name recognition which means you need someone charismatic with ideas. I think Mitt is a dark horse who will do well for these reasons. I really don't know how his religion will play into it but I don't think it will be a huge detriment. The evangelicals? where will they go if Mitt won the nom? Would they bail out on the party? don't think so. But if the reps again put these types front and center, they'll lose.

its early, lots can happen.

I have to say thought that as bad as the Rep situation looks, it is not much prettier on the Dem side. there are big problems for all of the main characters.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I kinda agree with your Rep assessment. McCain- shaky, Rudy - no way, after that it gets into people without name recognition which means you need someone charismatic with ideas. I think Mitt is a dark horse who will do well for these reasons. I really don't know how his religion will play into it but I don't think it will be a huge detriment. The evangelicals? where will they go if Mitt won the nom? Would they bail out on the party? don't think so. But if the reps again put these types front and center, they'll lose.

its early, lots can happen.

I have to say thought that as bad as the Rep situation looks, it is not much prettier on the Dem side. there are big problems for all of the main characters.

Arlj,
You could be completely right on this.
I don't think the "gay marriage" deal will play with the "religious right" at all, and though Mitt has shown good stuff regarding bringing things into balance after the "big dig", my guess is that the evangelicals will look elsewhere.
It is early. Lots can happen.
Seems that the Repubs still have to play the "commander-in-chief's" hand, and we'll just have to see how that plays.
If Baker comes to the rescue, fine with me. I have my doubts.
The "objectives" have gone through redefinition after redefinition.
Some people don't forget.
Like Edwards, I'll watch. If he picks Obama to run with, the Dems might show some hope.
The Repubs have to put out better than what they've got. Darkhorse?
I don't see one yet, but plenty of time.
We'll see.
It's interesting.
DTS