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Old 11-15-2006, 11:39 PM
todko todko is offline
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It depends who you ask. My guys come up with 108 and they are the best in the business. Andy Beyers guys come up with 116, which I think is high. If the 116 is right, its Invasors highest number ever...... off 90 days. Not impossible, but I wouldnt think it probable. To me the 108 is more realistic.
Speed figures are a complete waste of time. I could tape over the speed figures on my pps (I don't look at them anyway), bet on raw running times and be more successful than these speed figure nimrods.

You can't quantify track variants just because a maiden $25K race runs 2/5ths slower than par and then say that a stakes horse that runs 2/5ths faster than par deserves a higher speed figure because "the track was slow that day". It might have just been a bad bunch of maiden $25k horses.

On days like the BC day there is no way to judge track variant because most of the races are stakes races anyway. And you can't judge this year's races against pars from last year or even the last 10 years.

Without an accurate track variant you can't produce a speed figure. Speed figures are worthless. They always have been.

Beyer got rich off this crap. Notice how he came up with speed figs for poly at TP yet there were no pars to begin with. Think that's a flawed methodology? You bet it is. And people dumb enough to take his (or anyone else's speed figures) seriously lost their shirts betting on the poly.

Around March 15th TP scraped 3 inches off the poly to speed up the track and reduce the kickback. You think Beyer even knew about that?

Try it some time. Place a piece of tape over the speed figure column and handicap. You'll see what I mean.

If people like Beyer and some of the others worked in the financial services industry they would be in jail for fraud.

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Old 11-16-2006, 12:55 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
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Excellent post and right on the money..............

Thank God a voice of reason has shown up.

Lemme guess, just finished up having drinks with Bea Arthur?
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Old 11-16-2006, 01:02 AM
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Actually I heard Betty White and JJ Walker were there as well. Wow, a real life celebrity on the board.

Sue Ann Nivens and Kid Dyn-O-Mite??????

I love them!

I'm heading out to Beverly Hills....stay tuned.
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Old 11-16-2006, 01:08 AM
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Tell Bobby I said hi!!

Will do.

Gotta run. The copter is picking me up on the roof and I'm heading out.

Beverly Hills here I come!
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