Dutrow loses appeal

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Using the GP timer to support your argument is bit disconcerning. The horse may or may not have been logical that isn't the point of the thread nor is if you bet the horse because you thought he repp'd good value. The point of the thread is addressing that a person close to Richard Dutrow got her license and had instant success with the horse. If you feel its your place to comment on her instant success in a 150 to 200k race we would all love to read your candid thoughts. Debunking a dudes opinion on why a horse wasnt logical surely isnt the tenor of this space.

thanks Freddymo! My point was never that this was a "putover" but in going along with Calzones point of the trainer takeover. I no longer have the form in front of me but I could show the PP's to 1000 capable handicappers and very few would put that horses chances at 8-1. I beleive its last 3 or 4 races were terrible compared to the way it ran on Sat, and yeah there was no speed in the race which Pletcher seemed worried about beforehand but nobody did anything about it letting this one walk around the track

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

thanks Freddymo! My point was never that this was a "putover" but in going along with Calzones point of the trainer takeover. I no longer have the form in front of me but I could show the PP's to 1000 capable handicappers and very few would put that horses chances at 8-1. I beleive its last 3 or 4 races were terrible compared to the way it ran on Sat, and yeah there was no speed in the race which Pletcher seemed worried about beforehand but nobody did anything about it letting this one walk around the track

To me this isnt about if the horse was logical.. BTW I think if Kasept and Serling thought the horse was OK then I am sure he was playable. Again not the point, the point is to me at least, horses going to a new old barn if you get my drift.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Per Ray Paulick's Twitter: Rick Dutrow's Federal Lawsuit against NYRA, State Wagering Board, & Racing Commissioners Intl was just dismissed by judge.

Sorry, babe

[parsixfarms]

Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?

JMS is a shady owner?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

JMS is a shady owner?

The reference wasn't to them, as I don't recall them having horses with Serey and Ferriola. That said, as to this situation, I would certainly call them an enabler.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The reference wasn't to them, as I don't recall them having horses with Serey and Ferriola. That said, as to this situation, I would certainly call them an enabler.

For all the negative Dutrow talk, lets be fair: His horses rarely broke down or died, they raced well or they were laid up and brought back and nobody denies he is a great horseman. Knowing were to inject and why is different then just hooping up a horse on a drug that is not traceable etc. Much of Dutrow's success was a product of him knowing what others did not or missed. NOT just chemicals.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?

no, just bet them because you cant change the game..

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

no, just bet them because you cant change the game..

...but what about when you have to run against them? You can't just scratch every time they show up in a race in which one of your horses is scheduled to compete.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Good point