Repole, citing juvenile Lasix ban, won't send horses to Breeders' Cup

[PatCummings]

Policy debate aside, it's not like the BC announced last week no Lasix for the Juvy races in 2012. Everyone knew this all year, except maybe Alysheba4, so the comments out now seem just like fuel to some fading fire.

If he had the expected favorite, and then didn't go - sure, a much bigger deal. I'm not fretting over the lack of Notacatbutallama.

[Calzone Lord]

Not even including the nose sticker, don't they have more expensive alternatives to lasix?

Is it really the only thing that stops bleeding?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Not even including the nose sticker, don't they have more expensive alternatives to lasix?

Is it really the only thing that stops bleeding?

Not legal things. Or I should say not legal to give during a time period that would be effective things.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not legal things. Or I should say not legal to give during a time period that would be effective things.

In that case, it's a bad idea to run BC races without it. Hopefully the nose bands will work.

[ADJMK]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

In that case, it's a bad idea to run BC races without it. Hopefully the nose bands will work.

Pre legalized lasix there were lots of pre-race "bleeder" shots that racetrack vets used to reduce bleeding. If anybody thinks that trainers are suddenly going to race on hay and oats for that kind of purse money you are dreaming. Probably a big sales increase in natural supplements this month. Euros probably will have an advantage as they have been dealing with no lasix and for sure they are not racing 100% on hay & oats.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not legal things. Or I should say not legal to give during a time period that would be effective things.

Then why don't Euro horses start spewing blood all over without it. Lets be real here, there are other alternatives that will keep the majority of horses from bleeding. Further, you said yourself, top class 2yos are a lot less likely to bleed than old claimers. I already mentioned the report in Bloodhorse where hardly any horses that ran without it at Saratoga showed the slightest trace of EIPH.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Then why don't Euro horses start spewing blood all over without it. Lets be real here, there are other alternatives that will keep the majority of horses from bleeding. Further, you said yourself, top class 2yos are a lot less likely to bleed than old claimers. I already mentioned the report in Bloodhorse where hardly any horses that ran without it at Saratoga showed the slightest trace of EIPH.

What are you talking about? He asked a question and I answered it. There are other things that can be used to prevent bleeding but as I said none are currently legal to give in the timeframe that they would need to be given.

What do Euros have to do with anything that I said?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What are you talking about? He asked a question and I answered it. There are other things that can be used to prevent bleeding but as I said none are currently legal to give in the timeframe that they would need to be given.

What do Euros have to do with anything that I said?

OK, so you are only talking drugs then. That wasn't clear to me.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Not even including the nose sticker, don't they have more expensive alternatives to lasix?

Is it really the only thing that stops bleeding?

Of course it isn't.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Policy debate aside, it's not like the BC announced last week no Lasix for the Juvy races in 2012. Everyone knew this all year, except maybe Alysheba4, so the comments out now seem just like fuel to some fading fire.

If he had the expected favorite, and then didn't go - sure, a much bigger deal. I'm not fretting over the lack of Notacatbutallama.

yes i did know about it. what purpose does it serve?

[Danzig]

i think repole made good points. he's unhappy with the rules change regarding lasix-and made a great point about how it affects bettors. not often you see us mentioned.
then there's his beef about the bc and belmont-can't argue with his take on that either.
i'd imagine he'd have gone with all, even stay thirsty, had the rule on lasix not been there. but i can see not wanting to ship just the one horse if he thought the rest wouldn't be well-served by going.
when the lasix ban was announced is a non-issue-i doubt repole would have a different opinion regardless of when the change was implemented. it's not a 'fading fire'. it's an issue and he's not alone with his opinion.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

yes i did know about it. what purpose does it serve?

Sorry, didn't get that impression from your original post.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Sorry, didn't get that impression from your original post.

......i was just being a smart ass, but i see it as a big mistake which seems to be the norm in the racing world.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Policy debate aside, it's not like the BC announced last week no Lasix for the Juvy races in 2012. Everyone knew this all year, except maybe Alysheba4, so the comments out now seem just like fuel to some fading fire.

If he had the expected favorite, and then didn't go - sure, a much bigger deal. I'm not fretting over the lack of Notacatbutallama.

You don't think it is an issue for the bettors? Most of these horses have been running on lasex and now they won't. This is an un-needed variable because you will have no idea how individual horses will react.