us health care report

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"Health insurance is a fabulous loop of everyone wanting to get more for less and forgetting what the whole system is supposed to do in the first place: insure people against financially catastrophic medical emergencies. Not hold people's hands when they've stubbed their toes."

Love that line

[Riot]

How can that article on health care completely ignore the provisions in the Affordable Care Act that directly addresses some of those concerns?

Good article to set out the problems the ACA starts to address, but incomplete as it doesn't outline what solutions have been implemented.

[Thepaindispenser]

And how exactly does Obamacare address those issues?

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

And how exactly does Obamacare address those issues?

address what issues?

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

And how exactly does Obamacare address those issues?

It would be so nice if voters would pay a tiny bit of attention to major, historic legislation, passed two years ago, that affects their lives.

Health care in the US is 1/5 of our economy. A major reason healthcare reform was pursued was because it's a huge economic issue dragging this country down. We have one of the most expensive, waste-ridden, poor-outcome-for-the-dollar healthcare systems of all the first world countries. One of the worse and most expensive.

It does not solve them, of course, but the ACA absolutely addresses and improves:

Cost control
Premium price control
Medication costs
Health care improvements by access improvement
Funding of CDC and scientific initiatives
Massive cutting of fraud and waste in Medicare/Medicaid
Funding for private practitioners (increased numbers)
Changing payments to doctors for better outcomes, not more testing.
Coordination between health care teams.
Medical records improvements.

And on and on. You can click on healthcare.gov to read and educate yourself.

[Thepaindispenser]

Wrong Riot, it basically takes about $720 billion dollars from Medicare in payments that went to Doctors and testing and shifts it to Medicaid. So basically they want doctors to treat seniors for about 30% of what they would get for treating privately insured patients and Medicaid patients. Yeah doctors will be lining up for that deal!

The surest way you can tell if something is good for the American people is if the politicians and their families follow the same rules as they want the rest of us to follow. Perfect example is Obama being against vouchers, charter schools, and anything else that threatens the gravy train for public-sector union teachers who bribe him with massive donations yet he sends his kids to private school. Obamacare fails this test miserably as the politicians and their families are keeping their superior health care insurance funded by us hardworking taxpayers while they want to kill Grandma and Grandpa and have the rest of us get less care while we pay more in insurance premiums,

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Wrong Riot, it basically takes about $720 billion dollars from Medicare in payments that went to Doctors and testing and shifts it to Medicaid.

No, not all Medicaid, mostly Medicare.

Yes, it does that (sort of, you're not exactly right), too not taking any benefits from seniors (Romney-Ryan are liars) and providers agreed to that as the number of insured rise and they will gain markedly in new patients. That money goes to seniors, closing the Rx drug benefit donut hole is a benefit (about $600 per year) many seniors have already felt from that provision in the ACA.

But it also does what I listed. The Medicare changes are only a small part of the financing, not the major part of what the ACA does and achieves.

Again: it does not solve them completely, of course, but the ACA absolutely addresses and improves - in addition to the the Medicare improvement you mentioned:

Cost control
Premium price control
Medication costs
Health care improvements by access improvement
Funding of CDC and scientific initiatives
Massive cutting of fraud and waste in Medicare/Medicaid
Funding for private practitioners (increased numbers)
Changing payments to doctors for better outcomes, not more testing.
Coordination between health care teams.
Medical records improvements.

And on and on. You can click on healthcare.gov to read and educate yourself.

You are so factually ill-informed on this it's astounding in this age of the internet. Surely it must be deliberate?

[Thepaindispenser]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, not all Medicaid, mostly Medicare.

Yes, it does that (sort of, you're not exactly right), too not taking any benefits from seniors (Romney-Ryan are liars) and providers agreed to that as the number of insured rise and they will gain markedly in new patients. That money goes to seniors, closing the Rx drug benefit donut hole is a benefit (about $600 per year) many seniors have already felt from that provision in the ACA.

But it also does what I listed. The Medicare changes are only a small part of the financing, not the major part of what the ACA does and achieves.

Again: it does not solve them completely, of course, but the ACA absolutely addresses and improves - in addition to the the Medicare improvement you mentioned:

Cost control
Premium price control
Medication costs
Health care improvements by access improvement
Funding of CDC and scientific initiatives
Massive cutting of fraud and waste in Medicare/Medicaid
Funding for private practitioners (increased numbers)
Changing payments to doctors for better outcomes, not more testing.
Coordination between health care teams.
Medical records improvements.

And on and on. You can click on healthcare.gov to read and educate yourself.

You are so factually ill-informed on this it's astounding in this age of the internet. Surely it must be deliberate?

What providers agreed to it? What does that even mean? You are the one who is ill-informed. Obamacare not only pays doctors much less for treating seniors, it also penalizes hospitals that treat large amounts of seniors. Obamacare is designed to kill the elderly to coverup for all the inefficiencies, higher costs, and the less quality care (who in their right mind would become a doctor today) that will come with Obamacare.

Yeah, the government's own website on Obamacare is real credible. Sorry Riot, I don't swallow Obama's lies like you do. You should really do some independent research, you may actually learn something.