Weekend Stakes Beyers

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111 for the Pacific Classic

[cmorioles]

100 Capital Account, 104 Obviously, 93 Casino Host

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

100 Capital Account, 104 Obviously, 93 Casino Host

Is it possible for a turf miler to get say a 115 figure?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Is it possible for a turf miler to get say a 115 figure?

Theoretically, yes, but I don't remember one recently.

Here is a list I found:

Mile
08 – Goldikova – 107
07 – Kip Deville – 108
06 – Miesque’s Approval – 109
05 – Artie Schiller – 110
04 – Singletary – 109
03 – Six Perfections – 105
02 – Domedriver – 113
01 – Val Royal – 114
00 – War Chant – 108
99 – Silic – 110
98 - Da Hoss – 114
97 – Spinning World – 114
96 – Da Hoss – 114
95 – Ridgewood Pearl – 114
94 – Barathea – 109
93 – Lure – 112
92 – Lure – 112
91 – Opening Verse – 110
90 – Royal Academy – 111
89 – Steinlen – 109
88 – Miesque – 117
87 – Miesque – 119

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Theoretically, yes, but I don't remember one recently.

Here is a list I found:

Mile
08 – Goldikova – 107
07 – Kip Deville – 108
06 – Miesque’s Approval – 109
05 – Artie Schiller – 110
04 – Singletary – 109
03 – Six Perfections – 105
02 – Domedriver – 113
01 – Val Royal – 114
00 – War Chant – 108
99 – Silic – 110
98 - Da Hoss – 114
97 – Spinning World – 114
96 – Da Hoss – 114
95 – Ridgewood Pearl – 114
94 – Barathea – 109
93 – Lure – 112
92 – Lure – 112
91 – Opening Verse – 110
90 – Royal Academy – 111
89 – Steinlen – 109
88 – Miesque – 117
87 – Miesque – 119

I am not disputing the figures at all but given it was a track record, on a surface that has been fast all meet, I was thinking how much faster would a horse have to go from 104 to say 115, which is what I think of when I think of big speed performances. Would it be say 131 3/5? So thats when I said is it even physically possible.

Lure was the best miler from a speed performance standpoint that I saw race a lot in the states. Dahoss would be pretty close.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

111 for the Pacific Classic

That felt like an impressive performance and not because I was cashing a ticket. That wide move on the turn almost had me in a rage...yet the horse had the ability to overcome it and still run down Game on Dude.

For once I was the recipient of the colossal poly close. Usually I'm Game on Dude.

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That felt like an impressive performance and not because I was cashing a ticket. That wide move on the turn almost had me in a rage...yet the horse had the ability to overcome it and still run down Game on Dude.

For once I was the recipient of the colossal poly close. Usually I'm Game on Dude.

Game on Dude ran the better race IMO, and was unlucky to lose given how well he ran (that race probably wins the last 6 P classics.

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Game on Dude ran the better race IMO, and was unlucky to lose given how well he ran (that race probably wins the last 6 P classics.

I have to agree with all of that. Was very impressed with Game on Dude.

[cmorioles]

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Game on Dude ran the better race IMO, and was unlucky to lose given how well he ran (that race probably wins the last 6 P classics.

I don't buy that at all. He lost to the better horse yesterday. He took the lead pretty easily under his own power and wasn't going particularly fast considering the track. How was he going to hold off Dullahan if that one was even closer to him turning for home?

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't buy that at all. He lost to the better horse yesterday. He took the lead pretty easily under his own power and wasn't going particularly fast considering the track. How was he going to hold off Dullahan if that one was even closer to him turning for home?

Game On Dude is a better horse than Dullahan, I think history will prove that out. He is not a 10F horse either. That being said I would bet GOD moving forward if they meet again. That won't happen because it appears that Dullahan is surface limited, while GOD ran on a surface he does not relish, yet still ran great.

He had a 110 beyer figure, that would have won most Pacific Classics this decade, he made all the pace, on a surface that historically benefits the Richards Kids and Dullhans.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Game On Dude is a better horse than Dullahan, I think history will prove that out. He is not a 10F horse either. That being said I would bet GOD moving forward if they meet again. That won't happen because it appears that Dullahan is surface limited, while GOD ran on a surface he does not relish, yet still ran great.

He had a 110 beyer figure, that would have won most Pacific Classics this decade, he made all the pace, on a surface that historically benefits the Richards Kids and Dullhans.

He is a better horse, but not at 10f on polytrack. We all knew how the surface plays before yesterday, especially at longer distances. I don't think anything that happened yesterday was enough to say a change would have reversed the results.

I also think Dullahan would beat him on turf. So who is really the better horse? It just depends on the conditions.

[declansharbor]

Game on Dude did not set the pace for the first 4 furlongs. You can make the case that he went for the lead too early, but he he was 4th by a few lengths at first two calls.

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is a better horse, but not at 10f on polytrack. We all knew how the surface plays before yesterday, especially at longer distances. I don't think anything that happened yesterday was enough to say a change would have reversed the results.

I also think Dullahan would beat him on turf. So who is really the better horse? It just depends on the conditions.

at the 6F point he was basically neck and neck for the lead, thats making the pace in my book.

I never said he should have let Dullahan lay closer, I want speed horses ridden like speed horses, if anything one could argue he should have opened up even more so like the turf race was run. Why would you want to bunch a poly race and make it more a turf event then it already was.

I just read that the ownership group for Dullhan said that should lock up the 3YO championship, so maybe I am underrating him.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That felt like an impressive performance and not because I was cashing a ticket. That wide move on the turn almost had me in a rage...yet the horse had the ability to overcome it and still run down Game on Dude.

For once I was the recipient of the colossal poly close. Usually I'm Game on Dude.

.....yep, that happens to me at woodbine too much.