Street Sense Number

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

A negative 3 and a quarter. Hardly a bad race.

God, can you imagine if he had run his race?????

Could have been a negative 12!

[randallscott35]

Incidently Andy, its the same number he was given in the Gold Cup. But boy do they look different when you are facing Wanderin Boy and then Invasor.

[randallscott35]

Congrats to Giacomo also who finally broke into a negative number for the first time in his career.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Congrats to Giacomo also who finally broke into a negative number for the first time in his career.

Just in time for his retirement.

[Kasept]

Looked at them earlier today Rand.. I'll take the bet above. Carl Nafzger is the deciding factor here. He won't run him back until February.. He knows what he's got and did from the get-go. Sunday at the Breakfast he explained how he and Borel worked with Street Sense and how he planned to bring him along...

Nafzger, who told Mike Smith in July of 1989 that Unbridled was a Derby horse, said he knew right away what he had in this colt.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Looked at them earlier today Rand.. I'll take the bet above. Carl Nafzger is the deciding factor here. He won't run him back until February.. He knows what he's got and did from the get-go. Sunday at the Breakfast he explained how he and Borel worked with Street Sense and how he planned to bring him along...

Nafzger, who told Mike Smith in July of 1989 that Unbridled was a Derby horse, said he knew right away what he had in this colt.

Steve, all you have to do is look at past history...Keyed Entry and FuSam last year in the winter running their tops. How about Second of June from a few years back?(took him years to go back to negative territory and then he was gone) When they run this fast, this early it is always, I repeat always a negative....And I would never put my eggs in the basket of a 2 yr old in his 5th start needing wraps. Never.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Steve, all you have to do is look at past history...Keyed Entry and FuSam last year in the winter running their tops. How about Second of June from a few years back?(took him years to go back to negative territory and then he was gone) When they run this fast, this early it is always, I repeat always a negative....And I would never put my eggs in the basket of a 2 yr old in his 5th start needing wraps. Never.

Needing wraps and using wraps are two different things. Afleet Alex always ran in wraps.. what of it?

Running the big effort isn't the issue... Running back too soon after the effort IS... Carl Nafzger is again, the difference here.

Keyed Entry ran on that horrible sloppy track at Gulfstream which also ruined First Samurai, and then ran back way too soon in the Gotham (?)...

Second of June ran back as well after the FOY and wasn't even three at the time yet (chronologically)...

FuSam.. who cares?

Nafzger will turn this colt out and give him every minute he needs to recover.

[Pointg5]

I tend to agree with Randall, but Thoro's don't take into account biases, so it may have not been that bad...That's too much, too soon and likely going to do him in...

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Needing wraps and using wraps are two different things. Afleet Alex always ran in wraps.. what of it?

Running the big effort isn't the issue... Running back too soon after the effort IS... Carl Nafzger is again, the difference here.

Keyed Entry ran on that horrible sloppy track at Gulfstream which also ruined First Samurai, and then ran back way too soon in the Gotham (?)...

Second of June ran back as well after the FOY and wasn't even three at the time yet (chronologically)...

FuSam.. who cares?

Nafzger will turn this colt out and give him every minute he needs to recover.

I though First Samurai was ruined by a starting gate and broken ribs.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Needing wraps and using wraps are two different things. Afleet Alex always ran in wraps.. what of it?

Running the big effort isn't the issue... Running back too soon after the effort IS... Carl Nafzger is again, the difference here.

Keyed Entry ran on that horrible sloppy track at Gulfstream which also ruined First Samurai, and then ran back way too soon in the Gotham (?)...

Second of June ran back as well after the FOY and wasn't even three at the time yet (chronologically)...

FuSam.. who cares?

Nafzger will turn this colt out and give him every minute he needs to recover.

We'll see Steve. The idea that Nafzger will magically wipe away a number like that b/c its him doesn't seem to make sense to me. Brothers and Pletcher and every other trainer that has had a young horse run a number even close to that even later in his campaign were unable to stop the inevitable. You can throw Read the Footnotes into this debate as well as he was finished off something like this also.

You are also guessing on the reason for the wraps. The fact is, the wraps weren't there for the previous starts so why now? Afleet Alex, if I'm correct, ran in wraps for only for the latter portion of his three year old season, which again was cut short due to retirement(he didn't even come close to finishing his 3 yr old season---that can't be your hope for Street Sense b/c that wouldn't be very successful at all).

Nafzger makes no difference at all.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Needing wraps and using wraps are two different things. Afleet Alex always ran in wraps.. what of it?
Running the big effort isn't the issue... Running back too soon after the effort IS... Carl Nafzger is again, the difference here.

Keyed Entry ran on that horrible sloppy track at Gulfstream which also ruined First Samurai, and then ran back way too soon in the Gotham (?)...

Second of June ran back as well after the FOY and wasn't even three at the time yet (chronologically)...

FuSam.. who cares?

Nafzger will turn this colt out and give him every minute he needs to recover.

The funniest line I've ever been told about wraps by a delusional "handicapper":
"Smarty Jones can't win the Derby if it's raining because his wraps will get wet and slow him down!"
Needless to say, I was glad to book his action on Tapit in that race.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Needing wraps and using wraps are two different things. Afleet Alex always ran in wraps.. what of it?

Running the big effort isn't the issue... Running back too soon after the effort IS... Carl Nafzger is again, the difference here.

Keyed Entry ran on that horrible sloppy track at Gulfstream which also ruined First Samurai, and then ran back way too soon in the Gotham (?)...

Second of June ran back as well after the FOY and wasn't even three at the time yet (chronologically)...

FuSam.. who cares?

Nafzger will turn this colt out and give him every minute he needs to recover.

Also, Keyed Entry and First Samurai both had distance limitations. They were better suited for a mile or 8.5F and so where the sires (yes I remember GC in the BC Classic getting 10F-that was done on heart and talent) Street Sense has a better shot at 10F being by Street Cry, who won the Dubai World Cup and the Stephen Foster.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

you guys are brutal...and street sence will do well on the preps ...imo

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm a Street Sense fan. Somehow I just don't believe that a fast race in November transfers to a problem the following May. Call me crazy.

As for Bernardini, it is no surprise to me his numbers from Saturday are at least similar to his prior efforts. He ran very well Saturday and certainly showed a lot more in that race than his efforts against inferior competition. I have been impressed with Invasor since Pimlico. He's certainly better than anyone from last year's Classic ( not saying much ).

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

God, can you imagine if he had run his race?????

Could have been a negative 12!

.....negative smegative........horse got looked in the eye, and punched in the neck. a horse like g.z would have beat that group by 10.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

.....negative smegative........horse got looked in the eye, and punched in the neck. a horse like g.z would have beat that group by 10.

Apparently identifying sarcasm is NOT one of your strong suits.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Apparently identifying sarcasm is NOT one of your strong suits.

.....right back at ya AL.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

.....negative smegative........horse got looked in the eye, and punched in the neck. a horse like g.z would have beat that group by 10.

I am sure gz would have but considering he only raced 2.6x a year that doesn't say much for him.

Ghostzapper is just like Discreet Cat. Tons of talent and unable to stay healthy. That doesn't make for a great horse.