why does Mike Smith get so much bash on forums?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

The last legend to retire was Jerry bailey. Though Mike Smith has won a lot of big money races, he is inconsistent on a day to day basis.

in his own mind! never cared for him.

what about laffit pincay? hated the way he went out, that was a shame.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

in his own mind! never cared for him.

what about laffit pincay? hated the way he went out, that was a shame.

Bailey, not a legend? He is one of the best ever.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bailey, not a legend? He is one of the best ever.

like i said, don't care for him so i can admit i probably don't give him his due. and 'one of the best ever' tends to get watered down when people start adding names to a lengthening list. they can't all be the one of the best ever. my 'lists' tend to be very, very short.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

like i said, don't care for him so i can admit i probably don't give him his due. and 'one of the best ever' tends to get watered down when people start adding names to a lengthening list. they can't all be the one of the best ever. my 'lists' tend to be very, very short.

Thats fair. I can admit to using best ever, or GOAT a bit much.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bailey, not a legend? He is one of the best ever.

2nd most successful jockey of all time in earnings behind pat day.

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

2nd most successful jockey of all time in earnings behind pat day.

Bailey would have easily been the all time earnings jock if he would have waited on retirement a month or two later. He was only 1.8 million shy of beating Pat Day. Pat Day did have 3000 more wins and a lot more mounts than Jerry bailey.

John Velasquez, in 4-5 yrs will be on top of that list.

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Bailey would have easily been the all time earnings jock if he would have waited on retirement a month or two later. He was only 1.8 million shy of beating Pat Day. Pat Day did have 3000 more wins and a lot more mounts than Jerry bailey.

John Velasquez, in 4-5 yrs will be on top of that list.

Speaking of johnny v, i think imo hes my favorite jockey and hes most accomplishing of today's jockeys that are out right now even the young ones too. I actually think hes an actual legend thats out right now. Him and mike smith. His resume proves why he's the jockey that he is now and why i say that. Maybe in 4-5 years he will eclipse them as you said and become the most successful jockey on earnings won.

You did make a good point that bailey shouldve waited a little longer to eclipse pat day maybe by the end of gulfstream park most likely.

[RockHardTen1985]

JV is a legend right now. I am a fan of Mike Smith. The consensus around here is that he sucks though. I still like him.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

JV is a legend right now. I am a fan of Mike Smith. The consensus around here is that he sucks though. I still like him.

On forums especially tvg community dont really like him. I think if i can recall on one of the forums one of the poaters said that maybe they judge him too harshly since hes a hall of famer.

As for johnny v, i think after the legends say like shoemaker, pincay, cordero, day, bailey, stevens, mccaaron, eddie d, etc. you have to put both johnny v and mike smith after those names when they retire even though imo as i was saying that johnny v and mikey are the only ones that are actually legends that are out right now.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

Speaking of johnny v, i think imo hes my favorite jockey .

So, you think, that in your own opinion, he's your favorite jockey?

I don't know man, I think that maybe, in your own opinion, he might be your third favorite jockey.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

So, you think, that in your own opinion, he's your favorite jockey?

I don't know man, I think that maybe, in your own opinion, he might be your third favorite jockey.

Well said.