why does Mike Smith get so much bash on forums?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

since someone who's in the hall of fame doesn't it make you a legend? if you look at mike's career he is a legend.

Calvin Borel was considered to be in the Hall of Fame. Need I say more?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

icon or legend depends on what kind of career they've had.

going back to mike smith, he's had 2 eclipse awards.

Doug Whyte has won champion jockey in HK 12 times.

He is breathtakingly good in an overflowing sea of extremely talented riders.

He comes close. He is the first and really only current rider off the top of my head who comes close.

Champion? YES. Legend?

Problem is legend should mean just that. It's not some cheap word that should be tossed around

Mike and Kent, Kent and Mike... no. They don't cut it for me.

Originally Posted by pointman

Calvin Borel was considered to be in the Hall of Fame. Need I say more?

Boom!

Originally Posted by pointman

Calvin Borel was considered to be in the Hall of Fame. Need I say more?

Calvin is not even hall of fame yet!! Calvin is mediocre even when does well at Churchill Downs. But I have a feeling he maybe hall of fame like due to his profile of derby wins and breeders cup win

[Danzig]

hof entry in no way makes one a legend.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

Calvin is not even hall of fame yet!! Calvin is mediocre even when does well at Churchill Downs. But I have a feeling he maybe hall of fame like due to his profile of derby wins and breeders cup win

I didn't say he was, but I would not be shocked if he manages to get in. Aren't you arguing against yourself here?

[gamblin4ever]

A Legend is used for comparison of others over a career,(Michael Jordan for example). I don't see people comparing other jockeys to the GREAT Mike Smith.
I'm not doubting that he USED to be a very good jockey, just he isn't a Legend either.

Now on a lighter side I bash Smith for not keeping hold of Chantel.

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

A Legend is used for comparison of others over a career,(Michael Jordan for example). I don't see people comparing other jockeys to the GREAT Mike Smith.
I'm not doubting that he USED to be a very good jockey, just he isn't a Legend either.

Now on a lighter side I bash Smith for not keeping hold of Chantel.

riding legend would be like laffit pincay jr or bill shoemaker realistically speaking since you said michael jordan

[GPK]

Mike has lost it...and lost it quite some time ago, but I will always have a soft spot for him the perfect ride he gave Giacomo in the Derby.

The last legend to retire was Jerry bailey. Though Mike Smith has won a lot of big money races, he is inconsistent on a day to day basis.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

I didn't say he was, but I would not be shocked if he manages to get in. Aren't you arguing against yourself here?