why does Mike Smith get so much bash on forums?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Best of luck to you.

Sharp post.

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

He's a legend.

Why is he a legend? That's a pretty strong word.

Sorry but I'm still not understanding the really horrible ride on Hansen and so cannot be objective right now.

You seem to like talking about jocks. Who else do you consider to have legendary status of those currently riding?

While there are some I do like I can't think of a single one I'd use that word to describe.

[Indian Charlie]

MMSC, Julien LePeaux is legendary.

Legendary retahded.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

MMSC, Julien LePeaux is legendary.

Legendary retahded.

oh yeah! the soft hands of le pew are only money on the turf. (mst of the time)

what are his turf stats this year? anybody?

since the hall of fame already passed by already, jocks like jorge chavez, victor espinoza and calvin borel have the credentials to get into the hall of fame. derby win, a major riding title and a breeders cup win. they may not be the best in the world but those guys' have had brief primes but dont you they should be hall of inductees in the future?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

derby win, a major riding title and a breeders cup win. they may not be the best in the world but those guys' have had brief primes but dont you they should be hall of inductees in the future?

how stoned were you when you wrote that?

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

since the hall of fame already passed by already, jocks like jorge chavez, victor espinoza and calvin borel have the credentials to get into the hall of fame. derby win, a major riding title and a breeders cup win. they may not be the best in the world but those guys' have had brief primes but dont you they should be hall of inductees in the future?

You are the exact type of person that makes me want to vomit.

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

since the hall of fame already passed by already, jocks like jorge chavez, victor espinoza and calvin borel have the credentials to get into the hall of fame. derby win, a major riding title and a breeders cup win. they may not be the best in the world but those guys' have had brief primes but dont you they should be hall of inductees in the future?

I mean will they ever be in the hall of fame?

And will we see another female rider outside of julie krone get into the hall of fame?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

I mean will they ever be in the hall of fame?

And will we see another female rider outside of julie krone get into the hall of fame?

does it matter to anyone other than them? i mean really, who cares?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

I mean will they ever be in the hall of fame?

And will we see another female rider outside of julie krone get into the hall of fame?

This isn't directed at you but just in a general sense it's too bad jockeys can't be called jockeys... the whole prefacing with female thing is really getting old, isn't it?

[reese]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Sharp post.


Why is he a legend? That's a pretty strong word.

Sorry but I'm still not understanding the really horrible ride on Hansen and so cannot be objective right now.

You seem to like talking about jocks. Who else do you consider to have legendary status of those currently riding?

While there are some I do like I can't think of a single one I'd use that word to describe.

Hansen is the problem...not Smith.

Hansen is an "over-hyped" tb.

IF Hansen was really a top horse, he would have been at Sar or Mon for big races. Hansen's connections went to WV thinking "easy money" and no competition. Wrong.

There IS a REASON Smith is in the HOF.

Never ask "gamblers" their "opinion" of a jock after they lose money on a race

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by reese

Hansen is the problem...not Smith.

Hansen is an "over-hyped" tb.

IF Hansen was really a top horse, he would have been at Sar or Mon for big races. Hansen's connections went to WV thinking "easy money" and no competition. Wrong.

There IS a REASON Smith is in the HOF.

Never ask "gamblers" their "opinion" of a jock after they lose money on a race

Sure overhyped but still I think he's very good.

Agree with your easy money / no competition line.

I didn't bet a cent on this race, for the record. I failed miserably with everything I played this past weekend and although I'm sure I've blamed whatever jockey for a race I did bet and lose on I'm usually pretty quick to blame myself for bad handicapping first and foremost.

As far as Mr. Smith being in the HOF sorry but that doesn't mean anything to me at this moment. I'm talking about his riding lately in general.

To me he's no legend.

since someone who's in the hall of fame doesn't it make you a legend? if you look at mike's career he is a legend.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

since someone who's in the hall of fame doesn't it make you a legend? if you look at mike's career he is a legend.

Respectfully, no. Being in the Hall of Fame doesn't make one a legend.

Not to me anyway.

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Respectfully, no. Being in the Hall of Fame doesn't make one a legend.

Not to me anyway.

icon or legend depends on what kind of career they've had.

going back to mike smith, he's had 2 eclipse awards.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

since someone who's in the hall of fame doesn't it make you a legend? if you look at mike's career he is a legend.

That means Kent Desormeaux is a legend?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

That means Kent Desormeaux is a legend?

Hahahaha I just came back to say that, mindreader.

Look Mr. Ernie Sir i refuse to be spoonfed by some committee because in any given year someone got the most votes.

It's like the Eclipse awards or any awards. Take it for what it is and no more.

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

That means Kent Desormeaux is a legend?

kent is an icon but idk about legend? even though he holds a record for most wins in a year. dominated the maryland, southern california and east coast circuits. winner of 3 kentucky derbies and 3 breeders cups. he's had a great career but he's at the twilight of his career though. won 3 eclipse awards including 2 for outstanding jockey (1989 and 1992) and one for outstanding apprentice (1986 or 87 i believe)

[pointman]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

since someone who's in the hall of fame doesn't it make you a legend? if you look at mike's career he is a legend.

Calvin Borel was considered to be in the Hall of Fame. Need I say more?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by handicapperernie

icon or legend depends on what kind of career they've had.

going back to mike smith, he's had 2 eclipse awards.

Doug Whyte has won champion jockey in HK 12 times.

He is breathtakingly good in an overflowing sea of extremely talented riders.

He comes close. He is the first and really only current rider off the top of my head who comes close.

Champion? YES. Legend?

Problem is legend should mean just that. It's not some cheap word that should be tossed around

Mike and Kent, Kent and Mike... no. They don't cut it for me.

Originally Posted by pointman

Calvin Borel was considered to be in the Hall of Fame. Need I say more?

Boom!

Originally Posted by pointman

Calvin Borel was considered to be in the Hall of Fame. Need I say more?

Calvin is not even hall of fame yet!! Calvin is mediocre even when does well at Churchill Downs. But I have a feeling he maybe hall of fame like due to his profile of derby wins and breeders cup win