Mass Shooting in Wisconsin

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Yea why criticize a religion whose doctrine says all non-believers are infidels, calls for jihad for things like cartoons, and who kill thousands of daughters each year in the name of honor! Not to mention attempting to slaughter the people we are speaking of because they simply believed in Sikhism,

I suppose as long as women in this country have access to subsidized or free health care who cares?

what in the world does your second paragraph have to do with the first?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what in the world does your second paragraph have to do with the first?

Simple

Basically as far as women rights and equality are concerned, there are bigger fish to fry!

and the silence and defense as 'most muslims are peaceful' rings at a bit hypocritical.

I have and will never have ANY respect for a religion who treats their women as most Americans treat there dogs.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Simple

Basically as far as women rights and equality are concerned, there are bigger fish to fry!

and the silence and defense as 'most muslims are peaceful' rings at a bit hypocritical.

I have and will never have ANY respect for a religion who treats their women as most Americans treat there dogs.

What dog owners do you hang with?...My daughter has two dogs, granddaughter has two and fosters another..the dogs are treated better than humans...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by bigrun

What dog owners do you hang with?...My daughter has two dogs, granddaughter has two and fosters another..the dogs are treated better than humans...

Based on your other post about your friend's email that might be a good thing...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Simple

Basically as far as women rights and equality are concerned, there are bigger fish to fry!

and the silence and defense as 'most muslims are peaceful' rings at a bit hypocritical.

I have and will never have ANY respect for a religion who treats their women as most Americans treat there dogs.

yeah, thanks for clarifying...

[Riot]

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

and that's the way it is..

[Riot]

AP news:

Six of them died as they lived, shot down amid acts of prayer and kindness.

Suveg Singh Khattra, 84, once a dairy farmer in the Punjab region of India, was there well before the 11 a.m. service, because he was a man of habit.

He got up every morning at 4:30 to watch the news and a live broadcast from India of readings from the holy book, The Guru Granthsahib. Then he would catch a ride to the nearby temple in the Oak Creek suburb of Milwaukee, where he would pray and help prepare meals.

"Whoever needs to eat can just walk in," says Khattra's granddaughter, Sandeep Kaur Khattra, 24. "Nobody ever suspects (strangers) because we have a lot of visitors who watch and observe, and they join us for our meals."

This Sunday, Wade Michael Page, tattooed with hate symbols, walked in.

Page shot Khattra, police said. Khattra's daughter-in-law saw his body in the temple sanctuary as police led her and 15 others out of the kitchen pantry, where they hid from the gunfire.

Satwant Singh Kaleka, 62, ran to confront Page — living up to the Singh name given to most Sikh men. It means "lion." Gurus have taught for 500 years that the faithful stand for justice.

Kaleka — president of the congregation he helped to found in 1997 and who helped to build the temple in 2007 — was armed only with a small knife. Police said they found it near his body.

It may have been the small, dull knife carried by faithful Sikh men, a symbol of their willingness to defend all without concern for caste or class. Or it may have been a butter knife from the kitchen and dining area that is built next to the prayer hall in many of 122 Sikh temples in the USA.

Every house of worship has people like Khattra and Kaleka — the people who come early, who set up the chairs or stack the programs or prepare food in the kitchen for all who are hungry for both God and lunch.

Paramjit Kaur, 41, drove over to Oak Creek from Milwaukee every Sunday, to pray and pitch in. She was living up to the Kaur name given most Sikh women. It means "princess." Her friend, Manpreet Kaur, called Paramjit sweet, outspoken and devoted to her two sons and her faith.

Her sons, Harpeet Saini, 18, and Kamal Saini, 20, told CNN that the shooter took their world away.

Kamal Saini, 20, described what he learned of his mother's last moments: "My aunt told her that there was a shooting going on outside — we need to get up and leave. Rather than just getting up and leaving, she wanted to just bow down and pray for the last time and then get up and leave. She was just getting up. She was shot in the back."

Sita Singh, 41, and his brother Ranjit Singh, 49, who was killed Sunday, were at the temple every day. Kulwant Singh Dhaliwal, a temple member, recalled Tuesday that they were "very nice people. They served the food sometimes and were very helpful."

Before he was killed by police, Page took six lives at the temple, a touchstone place for new arrivals, most from India, where three in four of the world's 25 million Sikhs live. The Washingon-based Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund estimates more than 500,000 live in the USA.

When Prakash Singh, 39, first came from India, he lived at the temple, where he helped lead prayers. "He just got his green card and rented an apartment for his family," Dhaliwal says. Singh's wife and two young daughters joined him in Wisconsin eight weeks ago.

The temple was the place where Khattra, an old man who didn't speak much English, could hear his native Punjabi, the language of home and of scripture.

Until Sunday, the family's experience in the USA had been almost an American Dream.

Khattra's son, Baljinder, immigrated in the 1990s and drives a cab, Baljinder's daughter, Sandeep Kaur Khattra, says. She, her mother and brother joined Baljinder in 1998. Now she and her brother, Mandeep Singh Khattra, 26, are pursuing degrees in business and biotechnology.

On Tuesday, strangers and friends brought wreaths to the temple to honor the dead. Funerals are being planned from Wisconsin to India. Vigils are being organized coast to coast.

Oak Creek's Sikh community is asking all who want to express sympathy and solidarity to donate food to their local food pantry and flowers to their own places of worship. Their message on the city's website says, "If you are moved to volunteer, please donate your time and talent in your own community."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...8/1?csp=34news

[Riot]

New Mosque (on site of 30-year-old replaced mosque) opens in Tennessee, with American judicial system protecting their Constitutional rights, and overturning attempts to stop it by locals embracing freedom of religion for only themselves, but not for others.

Although Muslims have worshipped at the existing mosque for 30 years, protests erupted shortly after plans for the new mosque were approved in May 2010.

Opponents spent two years in court trying to force the county to halt construction.

Attorneys for the opposition claimed that Islam is not a valid religion and that mosque members were part of a plot to overthrow the U.S. Constitution and replace it with Islamic law. Those claims were thrown out by the local judge.

Welcoming good Christian Baptists across the street put up rows of white crosses, to remind those Muslims whose god was best. Sorta weird, as Muslims believe Moses and Jesus are important prophets to listen to.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...tennessee?lite

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what in the world does your second paragraph have to do with the first?

i concluded long ago that dell has his own private language.

i'm sure what he posts makes sense to him but it just looks like a string of non-sequiturs to me. i don't try to decode it anymore. i just enjoy the ride.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i concluded long ago that dell has his own private language.

i'm sure what he posts makes sense to him but it just looks like a string of non-sequiturs to me. i don't try to decode it anymore. i just enjoy the ride.

You would never understand as indicated by your moniker 'hi i'm god'

But keep reading.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i concluded long ago that dell has his own private language.

i'm sure what he posts makes sense to him but it just looks like a string of non-sequiturs to me. i don't try to decode it anymore. i just enjoy the ride.

Agreed.

Arguing with him is pointless because he has repeatedly demonstrated that he is not capable of intellectually processing a rational argument.

However, sitting back and watching him appear to lose his own train of thought in the middle of one of his nonsensical posts is often quite amusing.