Steve Byk quote of the day

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can you provide objective proof that shows your statement that giving lasix, "It is akin to giving the other horses a few lengths head start", to be a "fact", rather than just "opinion"?

Please provide.

Thanks

Yes, I've done so many times. Just compare the speed figures of each horse with and without lasix. Of course you have to go back a ways, because you won't find many now that don't debut without an injection. It is fact, but you can do the work as easily as I can, I'm not doing it for you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yes, I've done so many times. Just compare the speed figures of each horse with and without lasix.

I don't remember you posting any objective data on this board. You have said here, "it's a fact". Prove it. It's not fair that we just believe it because you say it, right? Prove that horses improve lengths when they are given lasix. Can you link to that, please? Thanks.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't remember you posting any objective data on this board. You have said here, "it's a fact". Prove it. It's not fair that we just believe it because you say it, right? Prove that horses improve lengths when they are given lasix. Can you link to that, please? Thanks.

I will have I have some free time. I can't imagine any seasoned horseplayer would even try to deny this is true.

Steve often mentions the book "Champions", or did in the past. Peruse that for a bit and just look at our top horses' Beyer figures before and after Lasix. I particularly find it interesting to see the jumps on horses coming off of good races, including wins.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I will have I have some free time. I can't imagine any seasoned horseplayer would even try to deny this is true.

Steve often mentions the book "Champions", or did in the past. Peruse that for a bit and just look at our top horses' Beyer figures before and after Lasix. I particularly find it interesting to see the jumps on horses coming off of good races, including wins.

You say lasix is a performance enhancer that should be banned because you allege it improves horses performances by lengths, whether the horse is a bleeder or not.

I'm a veterinarian that agrees with the 99.99% of veterinary medical and scientific professionals that lasix is a necessary and good therapeutic medication whose use must be continued for the health and welfare of the race horse, and should not be considered a "performance enhancer".

I am listed on published scientific papers on the effect of lasix in race horses, and I have read the majority, if not all, of scientific information on the effect of lasix in race horses.

I've never read any studies that support your contention, that lasix is a strict performance enhancer. Only studies that contradict it.

So I'm really interested in your "facts", as your contention, unsupported by the veterinary medical community, is 100% of the argument against using this valuable therapeutic medication to help horses.

** The common way for "seasoned horse players" to bet horses is first or second use lasix. There's some interesting scientific data related to that. To bad horse players ignore science

But that doesn't have anything to do with the odd allegation that "lasix is a performance enhancer in all horses that moves horses up lengths".

I'll be interested to see your "proof". Can't wait.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

You say lasix is a performance enhancer that should be banned because you allege it improves horses performances by lengths, whether the horse is a bleeder or not.

I said a few lengths.

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm a veterinarian that agrees with the 99.99% of veterinary medical and scientific professionals that lasix is a necessary and good therapeutic medication whose use must be continued for the health and welfare of the race horse, and should not be considered a "performance enhancer".

I don't really care who you are.

Originally Posted by Riot

I am listed on published scientific papers on the effect of lasix in race horses, and I have read the majority, if not all, of scientific information on the effect of lasix in race horses.

I don't care if you are listed on craigslist.

Originally Posted by Riot

I've never read any studies that support your contention, that lasix is a strict performance enhancer. Only studies that contradict it.

Yes, I'm the first one to ever bring it up. Sure I am. I also never said it was only a performance enhancer.

Originally Posted by Riot

So I'm really interested in your "facts", as your contention, unsupported by the veterinary medical community, is 100% of the argument against using this valuable therapeutic medication to help horses.

** The common way for "seasoned horse players" to bet horses is first or second use lasix. There's some interesting scientific data related to that. To bad horse players ignore science

The medical community has no idea how to measure thoroughbred performance under race conditions, including you. Oh, and it is "too", not "to".

Originally Posted by Riot

But that doesn't have anything to do with the odd allegation that "lasix is a performance enhancer in all horses that moves horses up lengths".

I'll be interested to see your "proof". Can't wait.

I never said all horses. That would be silly.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I said a few lengths.

I don't really care who you are.

I don't care if you are listed on craigslist.

Yes, I'm the first one to ever bring it up. Sure I am. I also never said it was only a performance enhancer.

The medical community has no idea how to measure thoroughbred performance under race conditions, including you. Oh, and it is "too", not "to".

I never said all horses. That would be silly.

You are a member of a very small-in-quantity minority group, with your thoughts on lasix. You and like-minded folks have the responsibility to prove to people your allegations about lasix are true, before the sport gives them any credence.

As I thought. No proof. Thank you.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are a member of a very small-in-quantity minority group, with your thoughts on lasix. You and like-minded folks have the responsibility to prove to people your allegations about lasix are true, before the sport gives them any credence.

As I thought. No proof. Thank you.

Well, I told you I didn't have time today. Small in quantity minority group? You mean like everywhere but North and South America?

I'm not sure why we have to prove anything, but I will. Most horses are given Lasix with no proof of bleeding.