Where's the Scat Daddy Thread?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I still think he was a better horse than Ghostzapper but we only got to see half of the show, as he projected to be a better 4-year-old with his pedigree and a little more seasoning. And yes, I avoided the sharks in the water like you who get off on trying to prove people wrong. Anyone who can really analyze a race whose opinions I value have all agreed that the horse didn't fire his best shot and still only got beat a length....far more nice horses didn't fire thier best shots in the race and still got beat a lot worse in the race....

Oh, and he cruised by a loose Wanderin Boy with ease last out and that horse is faster than Brother Derek FYI.....You should know that being a Zito fanatic...

Its a good thing you didn't take me up on the handicap-off last weekend as you had better done exceptionally well to win that one.....(since you had SO much to lose )

You're delusional if you really think he was better than Ghostzapper.
Do I really need to match their credentials? No... but I will.

Bernardini:
G3 at 8F, G2 at 9F, G1 at 9.5F, 2 G1's at 10F+ a second in the world's biggest dirt race. Speed figures were good, not legendary.

Ghostzapper:
G1 at 6.5F, G2 at 7F, G1 at 8F (the most important dirt mile), G1+G3 at 9F, G1 at 10F in the world's biggest dirt race. Speed figures were the best of the last 20 years.

No comparison.

Originally Posted by philcski

You're delusional if you really think he was better than Ghostzapper.
Do I really need to match their credentials? No... but I will.

Bernardini:
G3 at 8F, G2 at 9F, G1 at 9.5F, 2 G1's at 10F+ a second in the world's biggest dirt race. Speed figures were good, not legendary.

Ghostzapper:
G1 at 6.5F, G2 at 7F, G1 at 8F (the most important dirt mile), G1+G3 at 9F, G1 at 10F in the world's biggest dirt race. Speed figures were the best of the last 20 years.

No comparison.

You can only match their 3-year-old credentials...anything else would be foolish and unfair since Bernie didn't have the chance to blossom into a better older horse......Oh yeah, GZ was crippled most of his 3-year-old year...sorry, I forgot....

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

You can only match their 3-year-old credentials...anything else would be foolish and unfair since Bernie didn't have the chance to blossom into a better older horse......Oh yeah, GZ was crippled most of his 3-year-old year...sorry, I forgot....

Bullsheet, because you can't be certain he'll be a better 4YO than 3YO. Flower Alley? You can only compare WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by philcski

Bullsheet, because you can't be certain he'll be a better 4YO than 3YO. Flower Alley? You can only compare WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

And why is that fair? You're comparing a 3 year old to a 4 year old...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

And why is that fair? You're comparing a 3 year old to a 4 year old...

The point was Cunningham said he was better than Ghostzapper, so I compared what they have done. It's unfair to us as racing fans to not be able to see him as a 4YO potential all time great, but since we won't we'll have to base our comparisons on what they both did on track. And at this point, he's good- but not an all time great.
I for one don't think he's even the best of his generation.

Originally Posted by philcski

The point was Cunningham said he was better than Ghostzapper, so I compared what they have done. It's unfair to us as racing fans to not be able to see him as a 4YO potential all time great, but since we won't we'll have to base our comparisons on what they both did on track. And at this point, he's good- but not an all time great.
I for one don't think he's even the best of his generation.

That is why OPINIONS are great and widely diverse... if not, there would be no need for a website like Derbytrail....it is good to hear different people's opinions and the best thing is that nobody is right and we are all right at the same time....thats what makes it interesting in the debate...

I doubt many people come on here for handicapping hints

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I doubt many people come on here for handicapping hints

that is an absolute insult to Steve and to all the people who DO indeed visit the site for his Handicapping tips...don't you think?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

That is why OPINIONS are great and widely diverse... if not, there would be no need for a website like Derbytrail....it is good to hear different people's opinions and the best thing is that nobody is right and we are all right at the same time....thats what makes it interesting in the debate...

I doubt many people come on here for handicapping hints

please thats why you put the link to your capt obv plays...chalk kills..

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

That is why OPINIONS are great and widely diverse... if not, there would be no need for a website like Derbytrail....it is good to hear different people's opinions and the best thing is that nobody is right and we are all right at the same time....thats what makes it interesting in the debate...

I doubt many people come on here for handicapping hints

" ...the best thing is that nobody is right and we are all right at the same time ... "


That is specifically, and exactly, false. And, frankly, it speaks volumes. You seem to think that, regardless of results, whatever opinions you have are correct as apparently it is the horse that was wrong...not you. However, some opinions are prescient and correct and are proven so and many are neither and are proven wrong. This is what happens in racing. This is important at the windows but not in cyberspace. It becomes more and more apparent where different posters make their bets so to speak.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by philcski

The point was Cunningham said he was better than Ghostzapper, so I compared what they have done. It's unfair to us as racing fans to not be able to see him as a 4YO potential all time great, but since we won't we'll have to base our comparisons on what they both did on track. And at this point, he's good- but not an all time great.
I for one don't think he's even the best of his generation.

I thought Barbaro was better, but that's just my lousy opinion. With that said, I don't think that Bernardini and Ghostzapper should even be compared since it's unfair to both... what was done by Bernie as a 3 year old definitely topped out GZ's 3 year old season, and what was done as a 4 year old for GZ defnitely topped out Bernie's 4 year old season, SINCE HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE! LMAO...

Originally Posted by philcski

Bullsheet, because you can't be certain he'll be a better 4YO than 3YO. Flower Alley? You can only compare WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

Sorry man, I totally disagree....90% of horses get better as 4-year-olds and he DEFINATELY had the pedigree to be a better older horse.....Remember, the horse only had a handful of races and only raced for like 9 months and was very unseasoned because he could never find anyone who could run with him most of his career....the first battle-test he recieved was last Saturday and now we unfortunately won't get to see how uch he would have improved and benefitted from it....

Say what you will, this horse had as much natural ability and talent than any other horse that has run the last 15-20 years.....I really believe that...There is no right or wrong with that belief because it is all specualtion because normal people won't believe it until you prove it on the track, and unfortunately he'll never get that opportunity....sucks, but I saw enough to have that opinion of him....