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Old 06-16-2012, 09:50 PM
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I like Alternation over Fort Larned with Nehro and Mission Impazible next.
That's pretty impressive.
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:51 PM
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:01 PM
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That's pretty impressive.
Unfortunately, my computer cut off while I was posting so this is going to come off as a redboard but I honestly was going to say..........I like them to finish as the last four.

I wish I could have the last few minutes back. That race was brutal to watch. It had to just drop Game on Dude to odds-on for the BC Classic.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:09 PM
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Why did Velazquez have Wise Dan so close to the pace? Seemed like he was so freaked out about Nate's Mineshaft getting away from him that he ended up setting the table for a plodder like Ron the Greek to come along and nail him.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:40 PM
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Why did Velazquez have Wise Dan so close to the pace? Seemed like he was so freaked out about Nate's Mineshaft getting away from him that he ended up setting the table for a plodder like Ron the Greek to come along and nail him.
I think he is OK. He has now paired up 2 major G1 wins. Not that the division is super strong, but hes the front runner right now. It feels like any race a horse like Shack is in could collapse if they stretch him back out, so maybe Ron keeps finding ways to win. Rumor is Royal DeltA will be facing the boys again soon, if not soon JCGC.
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Old 06-17-2012, 12:46 AM
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I think he is OK. He has now paired up 2 major G1 wins. Not that the division is super strong, but hes the front runner right now. It feels like any race a horse like Shack is in could collapse if they stretch him back out, so maybe Ron keeps finding ways to win. Rumor is Royal DeltA will be facing the boys again soon, if not soon JCGC.
Two G1 wins in which the race completely collapsed into his lap. If JV wasn't soiling himself over Nate's Mineshaft getting loose, Wise Dan would've won.
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Old 06-17-2012, 12:53 AM
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Two G1 wins in which the race completely collapsed into his lap. If JV wasn't soiling himself over Nate's Mineshaft getting loose, Wise Dan would've won.
Ron the Greek was an extremely fortunate winner tonight, no doubt about it. However, I think you're being overly critical of Velazquez's ride. Wise Dan is always forwardly placed, and he didn't engage Nate's Mineshaft prematurely at all. Wise Dan was very average last night, further adding to the mystery that is Charles Lopresti, whose horses are nearly impossible to predict.
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Old 06-17-2012, 01:07 AM
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Ron the Greek was an extremely fortunate winner tonight, no doubt about it. However, I think you're being overly critical of Velazquez's ride. Wise Dan is always forwardly placed, and he didn't engage Nate's Mineshaft prematurely at all. Wise Dan was very average last night, further adding to the mystery that is Charles Lopresti, whose horses are nearly impossible to predict.
I respectfully disagree. I think once he saw that Fort Larned was going to press Nate's Mineshaft he should've tried to back off some. Then I thought he asked the horse too early (~ the 3/8 pole) considering who was in front of him and the six furlong splits he just made WD run. Was it a god-awful ride? No. But I thought it was panicky. I also think WD ran pretty well after getting mugged on the first turn by FL and being put too close to the pace. Obviously Nate's Mineshaft ran better than I thought he would as well.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:51 AM
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Two G1 wins in which the race completely collapsed into his lap. If JV wasn't soiling himself over Nate's Mineshaft getting loose, Wise Dan would've won.
I dont really disagree. I said I think he is OK. Ok as in, no one is really that good right now. So he is as OK as everyone else.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:09 PM
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Unfortunately, my computer cut off while I was posting so this is going to come off as a redboard but I honestly was going to say..........I like them to finish as the last four.

I wish I could have the last few minutes back. That race was brutal to watch. It had to just drop Game on Dude to odds-on for the BC Classic.
It cut off and somehow magically hit the submit reply button for you?

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Old 06-16-2012, 10:16 PM
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It cut off and somehow magically hit the submit reply button for you?

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That is my story. It's either that or be forced to admit to have basically done the worst handicapping job this board has seen in a long time.
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Old 06-17-2012, 03:41 AM
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That is my story. It's either that or be forced to admit to have basically done the worst handicapping job this board has seen in a long time.
Far from the worst.

Everyone on here can name one guy who you couldn't touch for that award.
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