Wisconsin Recall

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what we talking about.

Clip-Clop (and now you, I guess) are apparently trying to make the ridiculous contention that Walker did NOT cut union pensions and benefits, and that money then went into his budget (which had, and still has, a huge deficit) and then Walker gave tax cuts.

This started with Clip-Clop saying that no, nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor.

The Ryan budget and Walker's budget are the obvious examples of doing exactly that.

Reality - it's far too complicated for some.

Please prove where Govenor Walker's budget repair bill cut pensions and benefits (Current pensions are guaranteed under law and can't be changed). Act 10 gave the tools to the municipalities to negotiate for the first time ever employee contributions to pensions and health care.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Please prove where Govenor Walker's budget repair bill cut pensions and benefits (Current pensions are guaranteed under law and can't be changed).

That's not what I said. Pay attention and stop changing the subject.

Clip-Clop said no pensions or benefits were cut to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. Walker's budget did exactly that. Act 10 increased the personal contributions of workers to their pensions and benefits, decreasing the state contributions, and those state monies - monies gained where pension and benefit contributions were cut by the state - went to tax cuts.

Walker screwed the unions, to give tax cuts.

Thank goodness the Democrats have taken over the state Senate. Now Walker can't call a special session this summer, as he planned, to give that mining bill gift of environmental deregulation to his big donor, and shove through a "right to work for less" bill as he promised his other wealthy donor he would for her (on tape).

The current speculation is that Walker will be indicted by the FBI within 8 weeks.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what I said. Pay attention and stop changing the subject.

Clip-Clop said no pensions or benefits were cut to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. Walker's budget did exactly that. Act 10 increased the personal contributions of workers to their pensions and benefits, decreasing the state contributions, and those state monies - monies gained where pension and benefit contributions were cut by the state - went to tax cuts.

Wow, Robinhood, those poor public employees have to pay a small percentage into their pensions and benefits just like workers in the private sector? Then everyone got some tax breaks including those in the private sector who cannot afford to pay for those bloated pensions and benefits that private sector workers can't get? As a result the State Budget Deficit has been cut? Let's not forget about those poor Union leaders who now don't get mandatory dues and now that Union members have a choice and are running away in droves it prevents them from paying themselves ridiculously high salaries and takes away the money to fund the violence and damage to allow them to get even more bloated pensions and benefits!

What an absolute outrage! Those damn Koch brothers are taking over the world, soon there will be only rich people and the incredibly poor wandering the streets without jobs while the rich laugh at them!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Wow, Robinhood, those poor public employees have to pay a small percentage into their pensions and benefits just like workers in the private sector? Then everyone got some tax breaks including those in the private sector who cannot afford to pay for those bloated pensions and benefits that private sector workers can't get? As a result the State Budget Deficit has been cut?

What an absolute outrage! Those damn Koch brothers are taking over the world, soon there will be only rich people and the incredibly poor wandering the streets without jobs while the rich laugh at them! Let's not forget about those poor Union leaders who now don't get mandatory dues which prevents them from paying themselves ridiculously high salaries and now they don't have money to fund the violence and damage to allow them to get even more!

The Wisconsin state budget deficit has not been cut. The deficit has been hidden by spreading it out over multiple years.

And the average increase in contribution by state workers was $2000 a year. $40 a week pay cut matters to a lot of people - it's a tank of gas, or groceries, or food for your kids. These were cuts the governor asked for, and the unions immediately agreed to.

Walker busted the unions anyway.

And that - busting the unions - is why he, and multiple Republican state senators, were subjected to recall. At least the recall worked as it stopped Walker by turning the Senate from Republican to Democratic.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Wisconsin state budget deficit has not been cut. The deficit has been hidden by spreading it out over multiple years.

Are you accusing Wisconsin of using Obama budget accounting methods?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Are you accusing Wisconsin of using Obama budget accounting methods?

The only question remaining is if Walker will be arrested only on charges relating to Wisconsin law violations during his tenure in Milwaukee county (the arrests already of his employees), or if the FBI does indeed have additional charges of malfeasance in his current Governors office to arrest him on, too.

Rebecca Kleefisch will be the new governor, and that is simply terrifying. She's a loon.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

The only question remaining is if Walker will be arrested only on charges relating to Wisconsin law violations during his tenure in Milwaukee county (the arrests already of his employees), or if the FBI does indeed have additional charges of malfeasance in his current Governors office to arrest him on, too.

Rebecca Kleefisch will be the new governor, and that is simply terrifying. She's a loon.

Alas, the last desperate act of the Democrats in Wisconsin. Hope and pray that Walker gets indicted. Only the loons believe in this.

The People have spoken and you lost.