Tim Duncan

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't think this is entirely accurate. Some impacts aren't as easily seen as others. Duncan’s presence on the court opens things up for everyone. You have to guard him down there and stay home. He's the main reason guys get open shots all game. He's also really good at passing out of the post and getting the defense moving. On defense, he allows guys to play tighter on their man and also play more in the passing lanes because he is an excellent help defender. Being strong on the boards means they don't have to commit the other guys as much to rebounding, which means they are getting out faster on the break. I think he's a much bigger factor than the numbers would suggest.

I don't agree. Perkins handles him pretty well one on one. There isn't a lot of help coming when he gets the ball, and he isn't shooting well at all. Parker was the key to games 1 and 2, not Duncan, and it isn't even a discussion in my opinion.

[cmorioles]

Like I said, Duncan isn't really a factor whether he plays well or not. The Spurs go as Parker goes, and he isn't going lately.

[Calzone Lord]

Duncan finished the game +17 over his 33 minutes even though they lost by 5 points.

In the 15 minutes he was on the bench, the Thunder outscored them by 23 points.

Duncan was +18 in the previous home game and lead the Spurs in that stat the last home game.

Maybe it's not so much that Duncan is the key guy when he's on the floor -- it's just that his replacements all suck? I don't know, I don't watch.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Like I said, Duncan isn't really a factor whether he plays well or not. The Spurs go as Parker goes, and he isn't going lately.

Duncan was good, Parker wasn't, Thunder win. Parker looks lost out there right now.

Good for Harden. Take that shot like a boss and save your team from OT.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Good for Harden. Take that shot like a boss and save your team from OT.

Westbrook was struggling. I was screaming at my TV "let Harden handle the ball!" Apparently, my TV passed on the info.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Good for Harden. Take that shot like a boss and save your team from OT.

Big man crush on Harden. Top 15 player right now IMO.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Big man crush on Harden. Top 15 player right now IMO.

I have no idea how you compare different positions like Centers (like Duncan) and Point guards but...
No particular order
Kobe
Wade
Howard
Durant
James
Dirk
Paul
Williams
Westbrook
Love
Bynum
Griffin
Rondo
Anthony
Rose
Gasol/Gasol
Aldridge
Ginobilli
Pierce
Garnett
Nash
Jefferson
Chandler
Smith
Johnson
Parker

Forgetting anyone?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have no idea how you compare different positions like Centers (like Duncan) and Point guards but...
No particular order
Kobe
Wade
Howard
Durant
James
Dirk
Paul
Williams
Westbrook
Love
Bynum
Griffin
Rondo
Anthony
Rose
Gasol/Gasol
Aldridge
Ginobilli
Pierce
Garnett
Nash
Jefferson
Chandler
Smith
Johnson
Parker

Forgetting anyone?

Of course outside the very top it is pretty subjective, but I see a few I wouldn't dream of taking over Harden. Those include:

Gasol/Gasol (especially Pau)
Bynum
Griffin
Ginobli (they are very close, but one is young, one isn't and he misses a lot of time)
Pierce (really, now?)
Jefferson (Al or Richard? ROFLMAO)
Smith


One I would add though:

Irving

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Duncan was good, Parker wasn't, Thunder win. Parker looks lost out there right now.

This is what Parker is resorting to now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=IPPDuHWkVZo