Why the NYRA nasal strip ban?

[Merlinsky]

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...cal-board.aspx

Haskin weighs in on the O'Neill suspension and nasal strip ban.

[pba1817]

It's like a concerted effort to kill horse racing everywhere right now...

[tector]

I thought this issue had been put to bed years ago.

Only in NY....

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by tector

I thought this issue had been put to bed years ago.

Only in NY....

It was. It was put to bed in 1999, and I can't recall anyone ever complaining about it before now.

Only on message boards....

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by pba1817

It's like a concerted effort to kill horse racing everywhere right now...

This has been in place since 1999. How exactly is this a concerted effort to kill racing now?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

This has been in place since 1999. How exactly is this a concerted effort to kill racing now?

It was a general assessment, not indicative solely on the nasal strip ban...

CHRB pushing for a an O'Neill ban/punishment with the current focus of the outside world squarely on him and horse racing. They could have waitied till this TC stuff blows over, but they chose not to.

The NYRA political problems currently going on.

The Lasix issue being pushed through.

Want me to keep going?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by pba1817

It was a general assessment, not indicative solely on the nasal strip ban...

CHRB pushing for a an O'Neill ban/punishment with the current focus of the outside world squarely on him and horse racing. They could have waitied till this TC stuff blows over, but they chose not to.

The NYRA political problems currently going on.

The Lasix issue being pushed through.

Want me to keep going?

I hear you about the other stuff, but IMO the nasal strip issue is a non one. If O'neill doesn't care that I'll Have Another can't wear it, why does anyone else?

And how come I have never seen one person talk about this non issue before right now?

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I hear you about the other stuff, but IMO the nasal strip issue is a non one. If O'neill doesn't care that I'll Have Another can't wear it, why does anyone else?

And how come I have never seen one person talk about this non issue before right now?

The people behind the the strips seem to think it won't affect IHA's performance. We have no reason to think it'll be a problem either, but the ban added another variable where one need not exist. I doubt the strip is the reason IHA was 9 lengths ahead of Creative Cause in the Preakness. I think like anybody O'Neill would rather have access to it than not because why change things now? Changing the routine would be the reason he might care if he did.

As for why should we care...there seems to be good reason to make the exact opposite call that's been made about the strips. We care about horse equipment as a general rule, not to mention horse welfare, and from what I've read it makes little sense to ban them. Why are people fighting hard for lasix but not for non-medicinal preventive measures? It sounds like it improves the comfort of horses while they run. I'd say that takes it from non-issue to issue. I'm sure some people have cared about it for much longer but publications never made as big a deal. I know it's never been brought to my attention before.

I guess nobody's brought it up because crossing jurisdictions for an achievement like the Triple Crown makes things come up that might've taken longer to change. Would there be an obstacle preventing them from deciding to allow it starting right now? I don't know if there's some reason changes like this have to wait til a certain time to be implemented. I don't recall a Triple Crown being on the line with a horse using a nasal strip. Was there one?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

The people behind the the strips seem to think it won't affect IHA's performance. We have no reason to think it'll be a problem either, but the ban added another variable where one need not exist. I doubt the strip is the reason IHA was 9 lengths ahead of Creative Cause in the Preakness. I think like anybody O'Neill would rather have access to it than not because why change things now? Changing the routine would be the reason he might care if he did.

But...he doesn't care. He said this "We understand that this is the rule in New York and we’ll follow the rules," O’Neill said. "But it will be a zero issue. He’s a freak. You could put a blindfold on him, and he’ll run his race. This will be his first race without one, but he’ll be fine."

Zero issue. Good enough for me.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...cal-board.aspx

Haskin weighs in on the O'Neill suspension and nasal strip ban.

so, what, was cali supposed to not bother with the case since o'neill won the derby? surely you don't think things should be ignored because of the timing? he's a repeat offender, if it gives racing a bad name, perhaps they should re-consider the laxity of rules that allow repeat offenders to keep on doing what they do. does it suck for racing, absolutely. but whose fault is it?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, what, was cali supposed to not bother with the case since o'neill won the derby? surely you don't think things should be ignored because of the timing? he's a repeat offender, if it gives racing a bad name, perhaps they should re-consider the laxity of rules that allow repeat offenders to keep on doing what they do. does it suck for racing, absolutely. but whose fault is it?

He's 1000% correct. They couldn't wait another 2 weeks before dishing out the punishment? It was a charge on something that happened 2 years ago for crying out loud. No one is saying make it go away, but it surely didn't have to be addressed before the Belmont.

[richard]

It seems to me that the arbitrary ban in NY on nasal strips should be lifted now. I am going to write my state senator and ask that the ban be lifted before the Belmont Stakes.

Here's the website for the NYSRB...contact info is on the right
http://www.racing.state.ny.us/

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by richard

It seems to me that the arbitrary ban in NY on nasal strips should be lifted now. I am going to write my state senator and ask that the ban be lifted before the Belmont Stakes.

Here's the website for the NYSRB...contact info is on the right
http://www.racing.state.ny.us/

Let us know how the letter goes.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Let us know how the letter goes.

I can tell you right now. Nasal strips will be permitted just in time for IHA to win the triple crown. I feel it.

[richard]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I can tell you right now. Nasal strips will be permitted just in time for IHA to win the triple crown. I feel it.

What's the early Vegas line on the nasal strips for the Belmont Stakes? Every state in the Union allows nasal strips for thoroughbreds except NY. NY allows nasal strips for standardbreds.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by richard

It seems to me that the arbitrary ban in NY on nasal strips should be lifted now. I am going to write my state senator and ask that the ban be lifted before the Belmont Stakes.

Here's the website for the NYSRB...contact info is on the right
http://www.racing.state.ny.us/

You might want to stick a few grand in the envelope, otherwise your letter is certain to be placed in the circular file.

[letswastemoney]

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about the nasal strip ban. If it was that important to lift the ban, wouldn't this issue have come up sooner before I'll Have Another's Triple Crown run?

[Danzig]

Actually, this is the first time ive found out there was a ban.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about the nasal strip ban. If it was that important to lift the ban, wouldn't this issue have come up sooner before I'll Have Another's Triple Crown run?

I can't quantify the importance of the ban but very few topics concerning horse equipment see much time in the public spotlight. I'm sure few people know that cornell collars which are used for horses with faulty airways are allowed in some states and not allowed in others. Every time I race a horse anywhere the paddock judge checks to see if the horse is wearing a tongue ite, nasal strip, shadowroll, figure 8 or blinkers. But they have never asked me what type of bit they were wearing or about ear plugs and there is no consistency really required. If I chose to use a tongue tie every other time with a particular horse no one would know. I have taken tongue ties off horses in the paddock because they were seemingly bothered by them.

It would seem that Dr Hill's argument is a strange one considering that a tongue tie or ear plugs which could have an effect on the performance of a horse arent noted anywhere and both of those can come off or out prior to a race as well.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

He's 1000% correct. They couldn't wait another 2 weeks before dishing out the punishment? It was a charge on something that happened 2 years ago for crying out loud. No one is saying make it go away, but it surely didn't have to be addressed before the Belmont.

It was my understanding that this hearing was already scheduled pre-derby- if thats the case, they shouldnt have changed it just because he won.
Im more concerned that this has dragged on as long as it has.