DERBY/OAKS DAWN PATROL: (5/1) Valeski out, Optimizer in..

[slotdirt]

Just in case anybody's interested in what the horse shrink has to say:

http://kentuckyconfidential.com/sect...mas-on-horses/

[HaloWishingwell]

I think with a pace meltdown I as well will use Done Talking in the bottom with Trinniberg

[richard]

I do like longshot Sabercat's pedigree in that Rescue Squad, they both have the same 3rd dam, finished 2nd in the Red Smith at 11F. He's also tail female to LaTroienne. At the top of my pedigree list are, in no order, Sabercat, Union Rags, Alpha and Bodemeister, pending further review.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

I think with a pace meltdown I as well will use Done Talking in the bottom with Trinniberg

Trinniberg on the bottom? Really?

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Trinniberg on the bottom? Really?

sorry did I offend your key on top horse?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

sorry did I offend your key on top horse?

I don't know what your response means. I'm asking if you are using Trinniberg underneath. If so, why?

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don't know what your response means. I'm asking if you are using Trinniberg underneath. If so, why?

Maybe I didn't word it correctly, I meant those two would be in the bottom meaning dead last. You would have to blindfold me for them to end up on my ticket.

[slotdirt]

Easy, "underneath" means 19th. Like way underneath.

[PatCummings]

Anyone who heard Trinniberg go by this morning would have no interest in using him...

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

I think with a pace meltdown I as well will use Done Talking in the bottom with Trinniberg

I understand why people are looking for a the next Giacomo type to hit the board with a probable lively pace scenerio, but with a fairly strong field set to go, using "Done Talking" prominently on your tickets is being a little too clever for your own good, in my opinion.

So many things would have to break just right for this slowpoke to hit the board (including several VASTLY superior horses not running their race) that I just don't see it.

[Indian Charlie]

Hey Byk, what did you think of Liasions work?

I heard some pretty interesting information about that horse from a reliable person, and from what I'm reading the last two days, he's apparently taken kindly to the track at CD now.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Hey Byk, what did you think of Liasions work?

I heard some pretty interesting information about that horse from a reliable person, and from what I'm reading the last two days, he's apparently taken kindly to the track at CD now.

After that ugly initial work where Bridgmohan had to really encourage him in the late stages and into the turn past the wire, he has looked a lot better galloping. He was alone in that work but today he had company (Mile High Magic) and seemed much more interested without urging. It wasn't flashy by any means and he never buried the workmate, (which may have been Baffert's design), but they went a long way through the gallop out to the backstretch willingly.

Gary Young brought up a good reason to be interested in Liaison: "He's a plug.. but he's a plug that will keep coming." As I wrote in the XpressBet Derby Wagering Guide, there are some great candidates for 3rd/4th in this race and Liaison may be working himself into that picture.

(As an aside, I guess no one has looked at the free XpressBet Guide based on the Sabercat and Done Talking comments earlier in the thread)..

[slotdirt]

I'm guessing I'm not the only one who scurried to XpressBet to download the wagering guide.

[tjfla]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm guessing I'm not the only one who scurried to XpressBet to download the wagering guide.

Steve anyway to read it online or do i have to download it?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Kasept

After that ugly initial work where Bridgmohan had to really encourage him in the late stages and into the turn past the wire, he has looked a lot better galloping. He was alone in that work but today he had company (Mile High Magic) and seemed much more interested without urging. It wasn't flashy by any means and he never buried the workmate, (which may have been Baffert's design), but they went a long way through the gallop out to the backstretch willingly.

Gary Young brought up a good reason to be interested in Liaison: "He's a plug.. but he's a plug that will keep coming." As I wrote in the XpressBet Derby Wagering Guide, there are some great candidates for 3rd/4th in this race and Liaison may be working himself into that picture.

(As an aside, I guess no one has looked at the free XpressBet Guide based on the Sabercat and Done Talking comments earlier in the thread)..

It's funny how many discordant opinions there are about Liaison. He's too fast, he's too slow, he loves being up near the lead, he prefers being taken back, he's just as fast as other progeny of his sire, he's a plug, etc...

It's nice to see that he seems to be getting his head back on straight.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I understand why people are looking for a the next Giacomo type to hit the board with a probable lively pace scenerio, but with a fairly strong field set to go, using "Done Talking" prominently on your tickets is being a little too clever for your own good, in my opinion.

So many things would have to break just right for this slowpoke to hit the board (including several VASTLY superior horses not running their race) that I just don't see it.

"So many things would have to break just right" ...you mean like the gate not opening for the other 19 horses