2012 Triple Crown Trail: 11 try to deny I'll Have Another

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by justindew

That's what people said about Animal Kingdom. And have you seen how the horses that Exothermic has beaten have performed in subsequent starts?

I had a smaller future on Exothermic - by Empire Maker, there was every reason to think he'd get over dirt - but there really isn't much need to try now as he'll miss those classics.

[Dahoss]

There was every reason to think Exothermic would get over dirt because his sire is Empire Maker?

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

There was every reason to think Exothermic would get over dirt because his sire is Empire Maker?

I was willing to take the chance that the son of a Florida Derby/Wood Memorial/Belmont winner was going to get over dirt - at 85-1. But the brilliance of his dam made it pretty clear turf would be his best game.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

I was willing to take the chance that the son of a Florida Derby/Wood Memorial/Belmont winner was going to get over dirt - at 85-1. But the brilliance of his dam made it pretty clear turf would be his best game.

I agree, and had a small future on him at 100-1 from Wynn. Not just because Animal Kingdom was successful last year, but there's certainly an easy path for a turf horse to get earnings for the derby with the number of graded turf/synthetic races.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

I was willing to take the chance that the son of a Florida Derby/Wood Memorial/Belmont winner was going to get over dirt - at 85-1. But the brilliance of his dam made it pretty clear turf would be his best game.

Brilliance? Turf?

Sarcasm?

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Brilliance? Turf?

Sarcasm?

The dam's brilliance on turf...definitely no sarcasm. She was awesome.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Brilliance? Turf?

Sarcasm?

Respectfully, kind Sir, are you being sarcastic?

Didn't she win or place in G1s in South Africa, England, Hong Kong and here (not to mention running in Dubai)?

She never ran away from competition, she ran toward it.

Put me on the list of those who think she was brilliant.

How many G1 winners were in this field?

http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/r...2006&raceno=08

1 13 IRRIDESCENCE (G630) W C Marwing M F de Kock 122 956 6 - 2.02.00 5.8
2 3 BEST GIFT (D296) E Saint-Martin J Moore 126 1145 10 HD 2.02.00 12
3 12 OUIJA BOARD (G615) L Dettori E A L Dunlop 122 1007 8 HD 2.02.00 2.6
4 4 SUPER KID (C305) S Dye J Moore 126 1195 2 1-3/4 2.02.20 15
5 6 BULLISH LUCK (C155) B Prebble A S Cruz 126 1236 5 3-1/4 2.02.50 18
6 10 VIVA PATACA (G096) G Mosse J Moore 126 1108 12 4-1/2 2.02.70 3.5
7 5 BOWMAN'S CROSSING (B138) D Dunn C Fownes 126 1164 3 5-3/4 2.02.90 25
8 8 GREEN TREASURE (D225) Y T Cheng D Cruz 126 1144 4 6 2.02.90 47
9 2 RUSSIAN PEARL (E019) F Coetzee A S Cruz 126 1014 13 7-1/4 2.03.10 25
10 11 RIVER DANCER (C109) G Schofield J Size 126 1016 7 7-1/4 2.03.10 62
11 7 FALSTAFF (G627) D Whyte M F de Kock 126 978 11 13-1/4 2.04.10 51
12 9 LAVEROCK (G628) M Blancpain Laffon-Parias 126 1066 1 14-3/4 2.04.30 61
13 1 NORSE DANCER (G614)

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Respectfully, kind Sir, are you being sarcastic?

Didn't she win or place in G1s in South Africa, England, Hong Kong and here (not to mention running in Dubai)?

She never ran away from competition, she ran toward it.

Put me on the list of those who think she was brilliant.

How many G1 winners were in this field?

http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/r...2006&raceno=08

1 13 IRRIDESCENCE (G630) W C Marwing M F de Kock 122 956 6 - 2.02.00 5.8
2 3 BEST GIFT (D296) E Saint-Martin J Moore 126 1145 10 HD 2.02.00 12
3 12 OUIJA BOARD (G615) L Dettori E A L Dunlop 122 1007 8 HD 2.02.00 2.6
4 4 SUPER KID (C305) S Dye J Moore 126 1195 2 1-3/4 2.02.20 15
5 6 BULLISH LUCK (C155) B Prebble A S Cruz 126 1236 5 3-1/4 2.02.50 18
6 10 VIVA PATACA (G096) G Mosse J Moore 126 1108 12 4-1/2 2.02.70 3.5
7 5 BOWMAN'S CROSSING (B138) D Dunn C Fownes 126 1164 3 5-3/4 2.02.90 25
8 8 GREEN TREASURE (D225) Y T Cheng D Cruz 126 1144 4 6 2.02.90 47
9 2 RUSSIAN PEARL (E019) F Coetzee A S Cruz 126 1014 13 7-1/4 2.03.10 25
10 11 RIVER DANCER (C109) G Schofield J Size 126 1016 7 7-1/4 2.03.10 62
11 7 FALSTAFF (G627) D Whyte M F de Kock 126 978 11 13-1/4 2.04.10 51
12 9 LAVEROCK (G628) M Blancpain Laffon-Parias 126 1066 1 14-3/4 2.04.30 61
13 1 NORSE DANCER (G614)

No, not at all. Brilliance used to mean something different than it seems to now.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

No, not at all. Brilliance used to mean something different than it seems to now.

My frame of reference goes as far back as 2004 so yeah to me she is but I'd understand if to some of the old timers she isn't quite Man O' War.