Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry, i've never bought into it being a disease. you can't decide to put down the cancer bottle, or the ms bottle. i think they started calling it a disease so that insurance companies would start covering the treatment, but i'm sure that's just the cynic in me. as for it being an addiction, so hard to overcome...i smoked for 15 years, which was half my life when i quit cold turkey. so, even tho many say it's such a hard nut to crack, i didn't find it to be so at all. you just have to make up your mind. tyler needs to get to that point-the sooner the better.
and funny, those times i have come to your defense on here in the past, i bet you didn't think i was ignorant and insensitive. appreciate that.

Coming to my defense over internet drivel and not knowing what the entire worldwide medical community now agree upon is two very different things.

"You just have to make up your mind" Good chance those are the 8 most assinine words ever posted on any message board about any subject.

Unbelieveable!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Coming to my defense over internet drivel and not knowing what the entire worldwide medical community now agree upon is two very different things.

"You just have to make up your mind" Good chance those are the 8 most assinine words ever posted on any message board about any subject.

Unbelieveable!

i'm pretty sure that i've heard people say many times that there are people who have to hit rock bottom before they realize that's where they'd been headed all along, and then decide to do something about it. that's what i meant by 'you have to make up your mind'. sadly, not everyone hits rock bottom and is able to pull themselves back up. some shoot right thru the bottom.
forgive my being so asinine; make no mistake, i do hope tyler is able to pull himself out of his mess. it always boggles my mind when people waste their life.

tyler's in a bad spot, and i do hope he gets out of it.

[Honu]

My brother died in 2005 from drinking, he couldnt stop, not mentally or physically. My birth father is also an alcoholic as well as another brother who if it wasnt that he was incarcirated for 12 years would most likely be dead as well. For some reason my oldest brother and I are not like the other two in that we can drink but its not like it is or was with the other two.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Honu

My brother died in 2005 from drinking, he couldnt stop, not mentally or physically. My birth father is also an alcoholic as well as another brother who if it wasnt that he was incarcirated for 12 years would most likely be dead as well. For some reason my oldest brother and I are not like the other two in that we can drink but its not like it is or was with the other two.

My oldest brother and I are a lot alike. Before I got sober, we could go toe to toe, drink for drink. My brother that just passed away, the most alcohol he ever had in one setting was 7 beers and my sister is the same way as him, she can take it or leave it. Neither of my parents drink.

[pba1817]

Alcoholism is not a disease, it is a choice.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Alcoholism is not a disease, it is a choice.

Science may disagree with you.

[GenuineRisk]

Not recognizing alcoholism as a disease is like assuming that the mentally ill just need to "snap out of it."

Defined:

In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, Inc. (NCADD) and the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) published this definition for alcoholism:
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”

There's a reason alcoholics who have stopped drinking are called "recovering." it's because they'll never be "cured." They won't ever be able to drink as someone who is not alcoholic can drink. It's a disease.

My father is drinking himself to death. It's an awful thing to watch. And I spent years angry about it. But, for whatever reason, I was spared the addictive need for alcohol my dad has. Which means I can't ever understand what's going on in his head. I can't judge, because I will never truly understand.

Originally Posted by pba1817

Alcoholism is not a disease, it is a choice.

Simply not true.

[pba1817]

For those of you who do believe alcoholism is a disease and not a choice, where do you draw the line?

Is gambling a disease? Is smoking a disease? Is drug abuse a disease? Is being obese a disease? Is masturbation a disease? Is being religious a disease? Is picking boogers a disease? Is bad driving a disease? Is doing any activity that may cause you, your family, or society pain, a disease?

The list could be endless....

Our society has become so co-dependent in virtually every aspect of our lives that NO ONE takes responsibility for their own choices and actions.

It is pretty sickening.