conservatives vs women

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Santorum also said he does not believe in an America where the separation of church and state is "absolute."

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country," said Santorum. "This is the First Amendment. The First Amendment says the free exercise of religion. That means bringing everybody, people of faith and no faith, into the public square.

so...what church is 'the church'???


and yes, rick, there should be no involvement in the operation of the state. i'd hate to see how the state would be should old rick get his wish and impose the views of his church on the state. thank goodness there is separation between the two!!

so glad this bozo has no shot.

[Riot]

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We in the United States, above all, must remember that lesson, for we were founded as a nation of openness to people of all beliefs. And so we must remain. Our very unity has been strengthened by our pluralism. We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate.

- Ronald Reagan

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Originally Posted by Riot

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We in the United States, above all, must remember that lesson, for we were founded as a nation of openness to people of all beliefs. And so we must remain. Our very unity has been strengthened by our pluralism. We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate.

- Ronald Reagan

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WASHINGTON --

Let me be blunt: If Republicans nominate Rick Santorum, they will lose.

The prospect of four more years of Barack Obama holds some appeal for many Americans, but probably not for most Republicans. It may give doubters among them some comfort, however, to know that Obama and Santorum share the same prayer: that Santorum be the Republican nominee.

Increasingly, the party is growing grayer and whiter. Nine out of 10 Republicans are non-Hispanic whites and more than half are highly religious, according to Gallup. This isn't news, but when this demographic is suddenly associated with renewed debate about whether women should have access to contraception — never mind abortion — suddenly, they begin to look like the Republican Brotherhood.

Add to that perception the abhorrent, pre-abortion ultrasound legislation proposed in Virginia, and you can kiss the pope's ring and voters' retreating backsides.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/o...pr-ar-1717871/

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the candidates are trying so hard to be ultra-rightist...well, in santorums case, he IS far right-in order to win the nomination.

however, anyone other than romney really has no shot vs obama. they're too far out of the mainstream. the republican party will cease to exist as a viable party if their only real reaction to the democrats is to become more conservative.
romney is more centrist-but he may not get the nomination. really probably no big loss.

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._freedom_.html


Sick to His Stomach
John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech on religious freedom gives Rick Santorum a bellyache—it shouldn’t.
By David Greenberg|Posted Monday, Feb. 27, 2012, at 12:39 PM ET

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GOP lawmakers evidently did not know, until it was pointed out to them by noted medical experts such as comedian Jon Stewart, what was in the ultrasound bill they were poised to pass last week: that it would force many abortion-seeking women to submit to a transvaginal procedure against their will.


Even the legislation's sponsor, state Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel, admitted she had "no concept" about the true extent of her bill – and she wasn't sure she believed it after being told. Once they found out, though, Republicans beat a rapid retreat. A compromise measure will require an abdominal ultrasound but make the vaginal kind voluntary. Mighty big of them.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/o...si-ar-1720572/