Cigar

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

No doubt about it. I think a similar situation, though not exactly the same, arose with Frankel having Empire Maker, Peace Rules, and Ghostzapper. Ghostzapper had issues, but he was kind of forgotten and probably didn't achieve near what he could have as a 3 year old.

Yep. And for the opposite situation, look no further than this year in Bob Baffert's stable. Bodemeister, and to a lesser extent, Fed Biz, would be horses that ideally would get all the time in the world to reach their peak for the summer and fall races.

Instead, they'll be running for $750k purses in the next few weeks and might not be around come July, never mind as 4yos.

[Indian Charlie]

Cigar didn't suck on turf.

What the problem was was that as he crossed the wire in his maiden win, I turned to my friend and told him he was going to win the Breeders Cup Turf, and I then proceeded to bet him in all of his California turf starts.

Had that not happened, he probably would have won champion turf male as a 3yo.

[KirisClown]

Cigar was so strong, fast and intimidating that his mere presence caused other horses to break down... Holy Bull was a victim of this..

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Cigar was so strong, fast and intimidating that his mere presence caused other horses to break down... Holy Bull was a victim of this..

Valuist at his worst.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Valuist at his worst.

Good memory... it was one of the most ridiculous opinions I've read on a message board.. right next to an actual trainer thinking Rick's Natural Star belonged in the 96 Turf..

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i witnessed the arlington race ..talk about beating noone..cant believe his figure was that high..

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i witnessed the arlington race ..talk about beating noone..cant believe his figure was that high..

Granted, several really weren't in form, but on their best days Dramatic Gold, Eltish, Honour And Glory, Unbridled's Song, and even Polar Expedition could hang with the big boys.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Good memory... it was one of the most ridiculous opinions I've read on a message board.. right next to an actual trainer thinking Rick's Natural Star belonged in the 96 Turf..

Oh really, what happened in the Donn then? I don't recall Holy Bull finishing with a sub 24 final quarter.

[blackthroatedwind]

Suddenly a new contender has emerged.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Suddenly a new contender has emerged.

I'm just hoping it was tongue in cheek.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Suddenly a new contender has emerged.

Maybe he'll be vanned off on a high note...

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by JJP

Oh really, what happened in the Donn then? I don't recall Holy Bull finishing with a sub 24 final quarter.

Quite right.. The horse ambulance tried to get by Cigar in the stretch... he just shrugged it off and drew away.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Quite right.. The horse ambulance tried to get by Cigar in the stretch... he just shrugged it off and drew away.

Sounds like someone is still bitter over a losing bet on Holy Bull. Maybe after 25 years you'll finally be able to get over it.