2/18-20 (SA): Santa Maria; San Vincente; Buena Vista (G2's)

[jms62]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Last 10 years, CA-based 3yos on the road during the Derby Trail:

The Factor- won Rebel
Lookin At Lucky- won Rebel, won Preakness
Point Given- won Preakness, Belmont
Medaglia D'Oro- 2nd Wood Memorial, 2nd Belmont
Pioneerof the Nile- 2nd Kentucky Derby
Gayego- won Arkansas Derby
Giacomo- won Kentucky Derby, 3rd Preakness
Atswhatimtalknbout- 4th Kentucky Derby
Don't Get Mad- won Derby Trial, 4th Kentucky Derby
Bob And John- won Wood Memorial
Imperialism- 3rd Kentucky Derby
Empire Maker- won FL Derby, won Wood, won Belmont, 2nd Kentucky Derby
Borrego- 2nd LA Derby, 2nd Arkansas Derby
Master David- 2nd Wood Memorial
Millenium Wind- 2nd LA Derby, won Blue Grass
Scrimshaw- won Lexington, 3rd Preakness
I Want Revenge- won Gotham, won Wood Memorial
Papa Clem- won Arkansas Derby, 2nd LA Derby
American Lion- won Illinois Derby
Conveyance- won Southwest
Lion Heart- 2nd Blue Grass, 2nd Kentucky Derby
Notional- won Risen Star, 2nd FL Derby
Square Eddie- 3rd Lexington
Stormello- 2nd Fountain of Youth
JPs Gusto- 2nd Southwest
Sierra Sunset- won Rebel, 2nd Southwest
Line Of David- won Arkansas Derby
Tres Borrachos- 3rd Arkansas Derby
Jamaican Rum- 2nd Arkansas Derby
Congaree- won Wood Memorial, 3rd Preakness, 3rd Kentucky Derby
Ocean Sound- 2nd Rebel, 3rd Blue Grass
Brancusi- 2nd Blue Grass
Peace Rules- won LA Derby, won Blue Grass, 3rd Kentucky Derby
High Limit- won LA Derby, 2nd Blue Grass
Sinister Minister- won Blue Grass
Massone- 3rd Blue Grass
Proud Citizen- won Lexington, 2nd Kentucky Derby, 3rd Preakness
Eye Of The Tiger- 2nd Lexington
Domestic Dispute- 3rd Lexington
Quinton's Gold Rush- won Lexington
Sort It Out- 2nd Lexington
Behindatthebar- won Lexington
Samba Rooster- 2nd Lexington
Scipion- won Risen Star
Rags To Riches- won Belmont
Wimbledon- won LA Derby
Yankee Bravo- 3rd LA Derby
Ten Most Wanted- won Illinois Derby, 2nd Belmont
Greeley's Galaxy- won Illinois Derby
Cause To Believe- 3rd Illinois Derby
Mister Triester- 2nd Illinois Derby
Tiago- 3rd Belmont
Astrology- 3rd Preakness
Rock Hard Ten- 2nd Preakness

LOL. Really Why not go back to fukin 1960. Irrele-Fuking-Vent... Enjoy, I don';t give a fuk what you did 5 years ago let alone10 "Great Race, Disgrace Place" but at least it looks good on HBO... Oaklawn 21- "The Great Race Disgrace" 4.

So when do you feel it went irrecoverably wrong in Southern Cal???

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jms62

LOL. Really Why not go back to fukin 1960. Irrele-Fuking-Vent... Enjoy, I don';t give a fuk what you did 5 years ago let alone20 "Great Race, Disgrace Place" but at least it looks good on HBO...

Yep, I figured as much. I wonder what you'll have to say if Creative Cause trains on. Or if Bodemeister and Fed Biz graduate into the stakes ranks. Or if Out Of Bounds progresses from his Sham win. Or if Midnight Transfer stretches out effectively. Or if Liaison rebounds. Or if Secret Circle, Castaway, and Longview Drive do well in your precious Southwest Stakes tomorrow.

Probably something with 'fuk' in it.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Yep, I figured as much. I wonder what you'll have to say if Creative Cause trains on. Or if Bodemeister and Fed Biz graduate into the stakes ranks. Or if Out Of Bounds progresses from his Sham win. Or if Midnight Transfer stretches out effectively. Or if Liaison rebounds. Or if Secret Circle, Castaway, and Longview Drive do well in your precious Southwest Stakes tomorrow.

Probably something with 'fuk' in it.

Hey Dude... I love guys like you... Dead money Derby day.. Keep betting based upon the product 20 years ago... You and John White... Winner won't come out of Southwest tommorow and it MOST CERTAINLY WON'T COME OUT OF THE DEUCE THEY ARE FEEDING US FROM CALI. I am just looking for Preps to bet and the SH*T you are giving us in So-Cal is certainly not it. So if Secret Circle doesn't prep in Cali going forward do you claim him as a Cali Horse? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BwOXlGbW6Q

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jms62

Hey Dude... I love guys like you...

Thanks, brah.

Dead money Derby day.. Keep betting based upon the product 20 years ago...You and John White... Winner won't come out of Southwest tommorow

So Arkansas is irrelevant now, too?

By the way, who said anything about having to select the winner of the Kentucky Derby? You said that CA horses were irrelevant with regards to the Derby Trail. It was an ignorant line.

MOST CERTAINLY WON'T COME OUT OF THE DEUCE THEY ARE FEEDING US FROM CALI.

Whatever. You laugh at my alleged method of betting the Derby, and yet, here you are in fucl<ing February writing off horses from about 4 or 5 signficant graded stakes (3 of which haven't even been run yet) just because CA racing on a whole is in the dumps. Only a complete dolt would employ that strategy. Call it Dead-brain money on Derby Day. The San Vicente isn't the only 3yo race in CA.

You just have a hard-on for CA racing. I get it, brah. But don't be confused. Love yourself.

I am just looking for Preps to bet and the SH*T you are giving us in So-Cal is certainly not it. So if Secret Circle doesn't prep in Cali going forward do you claim him as a Cali Horse?

Secret Circle trains at Santa Anita, Copernicus. The only reason he's at Oaklawn is because his trainer is so inundated with well-meant 3yos that he has to ship them around. So long as operations like Baffert's call CA home, it will always be relevant on the Derby Trail.

Now go ahead, keep backpedaling and spewing about "product" and Jon White and whatever else you think you need to pile on to cover up your silly initial statement.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Thanks, brah.


So Arkansas is irrelevant now, too?

By the way, who said anything about having to select the winner of the Kentucky Derby? You said that CA horses were irrelevant with regards to the Derby Trail. It was an ignorant line.


Whatever. You laugh at my alleged method of betting the Derby, and yet, here you are in fucl<ing February writing off horses from about 4 or 5 signficant graded stakes (3 of which haven't even been run yet) just because CA racing on a whole is in the dumps. Only a complete dolt would employ that strategy. Call it Dead-brain money on Derby Day. The San Vicente isn't the only 3yo race in CA.

You just have a hard-on for CA racing. I get it, brah. But don't be confused. Love yourself.


Secret Circle trains at Santa Anita, Copernicus. The only reason he's at Oaklawn is because his trainer is so inundated with well-meant 3yos that he has to ship them around. So long as operations like Baffert's call CA home, it will always be relevant on the Derby Trail.

Now go ahead, keep backpedaling and spewing about "product" and Jon White and whatever else you think you need to pile on to cover up your silly initial statement.

You needed to post twice?

Sham= 5 Starters
Lewis =8 Starters (Adequate)

[jms62]

Originally Posted by jms62

You needed to post twice?

Sham= 5 Starters
Lewis =8 Starters (Adequate)

And as far as my silly initial post, yeah I got carried away dismissing the Cali product based upon the Sh*it preps they have given us this year... My Bad. But what about you defending the product by going back to Giacamo? Beyond Silly. You produced that list pretty fast, you an insider out there? I have an idea for you make your weakness your strength... Give us the battle of the Ex's Derby Prep that way you only need to line up 2.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jms62

And as far as my silly initial post, yeah I got carried away dismissing the Cali product based upon the Sh*it preps they have given us this year... My Bad.

Why don't you simply clarify what you mean instead of the jackass macho head games? A couple of the CA Derby preps were apparently Sh!t because they had small fields. I guess this means they were unbettable (never mind that Out Of Bounds paid out at 10-1 and Drill nearly 4-1).

However, they certainly were relevant and will continue to be so, because they will invariably feature top class prospects.

But what about you defending the product by going back to Giacamo? Beyond Silly.

Giacomo was what, 6 years ago? Talk about a fair weather fan. And, once again, I was not "defending the product". I was simply pointing out all the CA-based horses in the last decade (I know, I know, that's ancient history) that were, in fact, "relevant" on the Derby trail.

You produced that list pretty fast, you an insider out there?

I produced the list quickly because I follow horse racing. Do you?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jms62

You needed to post twice?

Sham= 5 Starters
Lewis =8 Starters (Adequate)

Yep, more backpedaling. Again, you said CA was irrelevant. Well, that 5-horse Sham just produced the winner of the Southwest.

And, of course, a CA horse won the other division as well.

Too bad they split the race. Now you have to insert both feet into mouth.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jms62

So when do you feel it went irrecoverably wrong in Southern Cal???

With regards to CA's relevancy on the Derby Trail, it hasn't.

Where were you for the Sham and the Robert Lewis? Where will you be for the San Felipe and the Santa Anita Derby?

You're using a 7f stakes run in late February to negate a whole crop (and all future crops) of horses.

That's a dumb fuking platform.