Luck

[richard]

In the Paulick Report Cot Campbell bemoans Luck.
" But I think—in the interest of some accuracy—that the attractive, sporting, pageantry side of racing should be given at least a nod."

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/pe...ing-no-favors/

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by richard

In the Paulick Report Cot Campbell bemoans Luck.
" But I think—in the interest of some accuracy—that the attractive, sporting, pageantry side of racing should be given at least a nod."

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/pe...ing-no-favors/

what a terrible letter from cot campbell. "I'm rich, and they arent showing enough classy, rich people on this HBO horse racing show... if horse racing was really like this, classy, rich people like me wouldnt be involved".

barf.

I dont know why people in the racing industry think this show should be promoting all the great things involved with horse racing. If you want that, make a documentary for PBS.

This show is about suspense and drama. The setting is a race track. I think the characters are awesome. If people think this show was made to save the racing industry, they are delusional.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know why people in the racing industry think this show should be promoting all the great things involved with horse racing.

It's just the way it is.

The old-time horse racing press would very commonly write about betting coups and putover situations involving barn money...even in big races.

It would often be written that a horse was either "the medium of a failed betting coup" if the horse with some insider money failed to win ... or it would be called a successful betting coup if the horse won.

There are hundreds and hundreds of examples of this I have seen...and you see a horse called "the medium of a failed betting coup" probably five times for every story about a successful one.

Nowadays, you see a horse like Sassy Image get a flood of obvious barn money from somewhere after a layoff and surgery that went unreported, and it's like taboo to even acknowledge that it happened.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

It's just the way it is.

The old-time horse racing press would very commonly write about betting coups and putover situations involving barn money...even in big races.

It would often be written that a horse was either "the medium of a failed betting coup" if the horse with some insider money failed to win ... or it would be called a successful betting coup if the horse won.

There are hundreds and hundreds of examples of this I have seen...and you see a horse called "the medium of a failed betting coup" probably five times for every story about a successful one.

Nowadays, you see a horse like Sassy Image get a flood of obvious barn money from somewhere after a layoff and surgery that went unreported, and it's like taboo to even acknowledge that it happened.

The exact same happens in the stock market.They blame "Insider trading" or "Speculators", and fail to realize that it takes an ENORMOUS amount of money to do the things they claim. The crash of 1929 was partially blamed on Jesse Livermore,who did make millions on the crash by shorting the market,but he was not the cause of it.

[Calzone Lord]

I wouldn't compare insider betting in horse racing with the stock market.

I'm not familar with all the rules of the stock market -- but it's perfectly legal in horse racing so long as the connections are betting on their own horse.

Situations involving first-time starters and layoffs are by far the most common situations where inside money might have an edge.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what a terrible letter from cot campbell. "I'm rich, and they arent showing enough classy, rich people on this HBO horse racing show... if horse racing was really like this, classy, rich people like me wouldnt be involved".

barf.

I dont know why people in the racing industry think this show should be promoting all the great things involved with horse racing. If you want that, make a documentary for PBS.

This show is about suspense and drama. The setting is a race track. I think the characters are awesome. If people think this show was made to save the racing industry, they are delusional.

Excellent post.

If we want to somehow "save" the industry, embracing what we are goes a lot further than pretending it's all puppy dogs and lollipops.

[Many Others]

It was an excellent post - Cot Campbell is getting up there in years, perhaps he really is delusional - and how the hell does he know about the hygiene of Queen Elizabeth and J. Edgar Hoover??? Have known plenty of rich people that stink, literally and figuratively lol..

[richard]

Originally Posted by Many Others

It was an excellent post - Cot Campbell is getting up there in years, perhaps he really is delusional - and how the hell does he know about the hygiene of Queen Elizabeth and J. Edgar Hoover??? Have known plenty of rich people that stink, literally and figuratively lol..

Maybe Cot would like to see Tootsie play Queen Elizabeth in a future episode.

I thought it was stunning when Ace tore the buttons off his shirt in episode 1. There's a lot of rage beneath Ace's cold demeanor.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by richard

In the Paulick Report Cot Campbell bemoans Luck.
" But I think—in the interest of some accuracy—that the attractive, sporting, pageantry side of racing should be given at least a nod."

Campbell is right. They should totally do a balanced series of episodes where they show the rise and fall of a highly touted horse. The first half would be the pageantry: The horse would be the half-brother of an upstart Kentucky Derby winner. He would be sold at a 2yo-in-training sale to a famed racing syndicate for $500,000. He would be turned over to a corporate trainer that wins everything. He would show stakes quality in his initial starts.

Then the seedy underside: His form will take an abrupt nose dive. He'll disappear from the racetrack for a year. He'll return as a gelding. He'll make a comeback and fail miserably. Rather than retirement, the racing syndicate will turn him over to another trainer on a lesser circuit and run him for $5,000, 1% of his original purchase price. The horse will win, but he'll also be claimed.

The audience is left wondering if the horse will be sentenced to a career of complete decline, running for starter fees in Pennsylvania or if he'll go on a massive tear in $5k starters a la Rapid Redux...

Pageantry, Sportsmanship. If Brother Bird had a middle finger, he'd reserve it for Cot Campbell.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Campbell is right. They should totally do a balanced series of episodes where they show the rise and fall of a highly touted horse. The first half would be the pageantry: The horse would be the half-brother of an upstart Kentucky Derby winner. He would be sold at a 2yo-in-training sale to a famed racing syndicate for $500,000. He would be turned over to a corporate trainer that wins everything. He would show stakes quality in his initial starts.

Then the seedy underside: His form will take an abrupt nose dive. He'll disappear from the racetrack for a year. He'll return as a gelding. He'll make a comeback and fail miserably. Rather than retirement, the racing syndicate will turn him over to another trainer on a lesser circuit and run him for $5,000, 1% of his original purchase price. The horse will win, but he'll also be claimed.

The audience is left wondering if the horse will be sentenced to a career of complete decline, running for starter fees in Pennsylvania or if he'll go on a massive tear in $5k starters a la Rapid Redux...

Pageantry, Sportsmanship. If Brother Bird had a middle finger, he'd reserve it for Cot Campbell.

This is so great.

[wac]

the race scene with the strings in the background was one of the best scenes i have ever seen in a tv show. it was so friggin beautiful. the looks on the faces of everyone watching including the agent b/c his heart is dropping to his stomach, the trainer crying b/c he is connected to the horse and that he knows has something. No matter how it shakes out that has to be an unreal feeling to own/train a horse and watch it run its 1st race and know that you may have something special. i like the show a lot and hope the rest of you guys keep up. the pace seems to be picking up as well. but that scene i rewound it 3 times to watch it again and i swear i almost started crying and im a 40yr old man. That feeling must be one of the sweetest in the world.

That race felt longer than the Melbourne Cup and it seemed like there were 24 horses in the race.

[wac]

agree coach race was a little long but i go back to the emotional part of it, even the degenerat gambler on oxygen knew that he had seen a great performance and i know what that feels like to be at the track and see something like that it leaves me speechless. just a friggin great scene. i remembered reading somewhere in a review for the show that in the 4th episode there was an unreal scene and they were right.

What wac said. Episode 4 tonight was the best one yet. The depiction of the race with Nolte's horse had a decent musical backdrop and used cutaways to what all the characters were involved in. I thought this was well done. Pacing problems not evident and I could (mostly) hear what the characters were saying.


Ocala Mike

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Campbell is right. They should totally do a balanced series of episodes where they show the rise and fall of a highly touted horse. The first half would be the pageantry: The horse would be the half-brother of an upstart Kentucky Derby winner. He would be sold at a 2yo-in-training sale to a famed racing syndicate for $500,000. He would be turned over to a corporate trainer that wins everything. He would show stakes quality in his initial starts.

Then the seedy underside: His form will take an abrupt nose dive. He'll disappear from the racetrack for a year. He'll return as a gelding. He'll make a comeback and fail miserably. Rather than retirement, the racing syndicate will turn him over to another trainer on a lesser circuit and run him for $5,000, 1% of his original purchase price. The horse will win, but he'll also be claimed.

The audience is left wondering if the horse will be sentenced to a career of complete decline, running for starter fees in Pennsylvania or if he'll go on a massive tear in $5k starters a la Rapid Redux...

Pageantry, Sportsmanship. If Brother Bird had a middle finger, he'd reserve it for Cot Campbell.

WOW !!!!