Projecting figures for very old races.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not clear.

I know you've told me an old time figure maker in NY said he was one of the fastest.

He ran just six times at age 3 - in five stakes races.

His wins in the Wood, Derby, Preakness, and Withers - I'm pretty confident are not faster than 114 tops. There are a lot of other races to work with on those cards.

The race I think your friend might be refering to - is his 25 length win in the Belmont in his final start.

There was another route the day Count Fleet won the Belmont - also at 12fs - it was a MSW race that went 7.20 full seconds slower. However, it was a pretty horrid looking MSW race on paper. Count Fleet only beat two horses in the Belmont...and they both had poor form.

The Belmont figure was probably very fast -- but it's the hardest one by far to do from his 3yo races.

Whirlaway ran A LOT faster in the Derby. They carded a lot of the same type of races in the Derby in those days.