The US Private Healthcare System fails again

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So when the King of Saudi Arabia flew his crew to America for care it was because 37 was his lucky number? Don't be such a fool.

First, lose the insult

Second: the King of Saudi Arabia doesn't have much to do with ranking the healthcare system for 300 million people. Our archaic private healthcare system is the most expensive in the world, and one of the least effective.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Overall rank: 37th , behind every other first world country
Preventable deaths: 14th
Health-life expectancy: 24th

Total health expenditures as %GDP: 2nd, (behind the Marshall Islands) most expensive first world healthcare in world

Health performance rank of 8 factors (system performance, cost, % you pay into system, insurance, etc): 72 nd

The problem is in the present there are a whole bunch of folks with diseases and no insurance who will be required to have insurance under Obamacare. Because of astronomical premiums they won't be able to afford it hence that responsibility will fall on others who are already struggling in there own lives.

That's why starting next year there will be non-profits able to enter the insurance exchanges to compete with the for-profit insurance companies, undercutting them, lowering insurance costs for everyone, and making it affordable.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

First, lose the insult

Second: the King of Saudi Arabia doesn't have much to do with ranking the healthcare system for 300 million people. Our archaic private healthcare system is the most expensive in the world, and one of the least effective.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Overall rank: 37th , behind every other first world country
Preventable deaths: 14th
Health-life expectancy: 24th

Total health expenditures as %GDP: 2nd, (behind the Marshall Islands) most expensive first world healthcare in world

Health performance rank of 8 factors (system performance, cost, % you pay into system, insurance, etc): 72 nd



That's why starting next year there will be non-profits able to enter the insurance exchanges to compete with the for-profit insurance companies, undercutting them, lowering insurance costs for everyone, and making it affordable.

"The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000."
Nothing has changed at all in 12 years.
Surely the Greek model is one to be envied and admired now, right? And the Italians, perhaps this has something to do with these countries hanging on by a thread...
The Colombians? Of course.
How did the US healthcare system fail Sarah Burke?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

"The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000."
Nothing has changed at all in 12 years.

??? No. The sentence you half quoted on the first page says,

"The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task."

Thus if you click on and look at all the figures and ranking tables quoted, it shows the new source of the information aggregation, which is current, which is from a multiplicity of health organizations around the world, just not solely from WHO.

How did the US healthcare system fail Sarah Burke?

A thirty-year old falling and sustaining a severe head trauma, resulting in death, shouldn't threaten to bankrupt their family and survivors, causing them to lose their entire financial future: home, savings, retirement, etc.

Healthcare shouldn't be obtainable only for the wealthy. 40% of American homes are within a few paychecks of poverty. We are the only first-world country in the world that still pays private people to provide our health care, but they only make a profit by not providing us health care. That's simply crazy.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

??? No. The sentence you half quoted on the first page says,

"The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task."

Thus if you click on and look at all the figures and ranking tables quoted, it shows the new source of the information aggregation, which is current, which is from a multiplicity of health organizations around the world, just not solely from WHO.



A thirty-year old falling and sustaining a severe head trauma, resulting in death, shouldn't threaten to bankrupt their family and survivors, causing them to lose their entire financial future: home, savings, retirement, etc.

Healthcare shouldn't be obtainable only for the wealthy. 40% of American homes are within a few paychecks of poverty. We are the only first-world country in the world that still pays private people to provide our health care, but they only make a profit by not providing us health care. That's simply crazy.

They won't, they will go back to Canada.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

They won't, they will go back to Canada.

They still have a $300,000 bill to pay in America, because the American healthcare system doesn't allow everyone - including elite athletes competing in dangerous sports - to be insurable here, let alone be able to afford huge copays for financial disasters.

Did you read the story? The family cannot afford to pay the bill. They were taking donations, so they wouldn't lose their house, future, savings, etc. Responsible people shouldn't suffer that.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

They still have a $300,000 bill to pay in America, because the American healthcare system doesn't allow everyone - including elite athletes competing in dangerous sports - to be insurable here, let alone be able to afford huge copays for financial disasters.

Did you read the story? The family cannot afford to pay the bill. They were taking donations, so they wouldn't lose their house, future, savings, etc. Responsible people shouldn't suffer that.

There is no debtors prison and the hospital cannot sue them for things they do not own in this country. It is admirable that they want to pay the bill, but they are most certainly not going to lose anything in the process. Other than their daughter, who was a wonderful person and amazingly talented athlete that will be sorely missed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

There is no debtors prison and the hospital cannot sue them for things they do not own in this country.

So the hospital cannot put a lien on their house and accounts as they do for Americans, simply because they live in another country? But that means the hospital is still unpaid, thus we Americans will have to pay for her bill in our hospital costs.

Wouldn't it be better that she had been able to be insurable in the US? (purchase of temporary travelers insurance)

Other than their daughter, who was a wonderful person and amazingly talented athlete that will be sorely missed.

Yes, that is so sad, to lose such a wonderful young person.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

They still have a $300,000 bill to pay in America, because the American healthcare system doesn't allow everyone - including elite athletes competing in dangerous sports - to be insurable here, let alone be able to afford huge copays for financial disasters.

Did you read the story? The family cannot afford to pay the bill. They were taking donations, so they wouldn't lose their house, future, savings, etc. Responsible people shouldn't suffer that.

The story is gone.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

First, lose the insult

Second: the King of Saudi Arabia doesn't have much to do with ranking the healthcare system for 300 million people. Our archaic private healthcare system is the most expensive in the world, and one of the least effective.

When you go out for a steak dinner do you rank the meal by the steak you're eating or do you consider what 300 million other people are eating?

Pure and simple we have the best care money can buy!

Not everyone can afford Mortons but there's always a Denny's nearby

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

When you go out for a steak dinner do you rank the meal by the steak you're eating or do you consider what 300 million other people are eating?

Pure and simple we have the best care money can buy!

Not everyone can afford Mortons but there's always a Denny's nearby

Not everyone can afford Denny's. 40% of Americans are living in threat of poverty. We are turning into a very poor country, with a wealthy class, and a poor class - the middle class is virtually gone. Their wages have stagnated for 40 years, while the wealthy have taken a greater percentage of ownership of the money available in the country. We have the most expensive care in the world. But even if you can afford it, you won't get "the best care" as far as neonatal survival rates, life expectancy, preventive death rate, preventive medicine, and access goes. If you have a chronic condition (diabetes, kidney failure, heart trouble for example) you will probably, as your life goes on, lose access to treatment for your conditions as your insurance refuses to pay or lifetime caps are reached, and cannot afford the medication sold by private companies at expensive rates only to those that can afford paying.

That has been modified by the ACA, thank goodness, who has lowered Medicare drug costs markedly, improved preventive care access for the elderly, etc.