"900 dead voters voted" claim in SC false

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

You're a mench.... A true champion of objectivity. You should put your original siggy back up

Yeah. I posted an article that says "900 dead voters didn't vote" - which is true.

DaTruth is trying to make it seem like that statement isn't true. Baloney. I suggest he write the reporter that used that phrase in the first line of the article, if he thinks that's duplicitous.

You might look up what "mench", or more accurately, "mensch" actually means, before you use it again It doesn't fit well with the sarcasm, so I doubt you think it means what it does.

[Riot]

Who is misleading who?

http://www.fitsnews.com/2012/01/25/a...e-dead-voters/

S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley’s Department of Motor Vehicles (SCDMV) – which has previously used tax dollars to bail the governor out of a brain dead promise regarding our state’s ridiculous voter ID law – is at it again.

Earlier this month, the agency’s director Kevin Shwedo declared that 957 deceased South Carolinians had case votes in the most recent election.

“In my opinion, and I’m not an expert in this area, dead guys shouldn’t be allowed to vote,” Shwedo said.

We agree … and the report from Shwedo’s agency was immediately seized upon by those who support the new voter ID law as evidence of the sort of “rampant voter fraud” that this legislation was created to stop. Beyond that, though, Shwedo accused the South Carolina Election Commission (SCEC) of having foreknowledge of this fraud – and doing nothing to stop it.

Since then, however, Shwedo’s office has failed to publicly release its report – and has refused to provide its list of “dead voters” to the Election Commission. Only S.C. Attorney General Alan Wilson (and presumably Haley) have been provided with copies of the document.

Amazing isn’t it?

You would think that one state agency – upon discovering what appeared to be a serious problem at another state agency – would have turned over the information it obtained in an effort to help correct the problem. This is especially true in this case seeing as Shwedo made his allegations against the Election Commission less than two weeks before South Carolinians voted in a presidential primary election.

Sadly, though – in addition to its demonstrated incompetence with regard to counting (see here and here) – Haley’s administration doesn’t play well with others, which is why it ran straight to the press with this “dead voter” information.

On Wednesday, S.C. Election Commission director Marci Andino finally got a chance to defend her agency against Shwedo’s allegations when she testified before a legislative subcommittee.

The verdict? “Dead voting” in South Carolina isn’t quite the problem Haley’s administration has led the public to believe.

According to Andino, the S.C. Attorney General’s office has provided her agency with six of the 957 alleged “dead voters.” That’s right – six.

Of those six “dead voters,” Andino discovered that one voter died after casting an absentee ballot. Meanwhile the other five were … wait for it … very much alive and eligible to vote.

Dead voters casting ballots? Not so much …

“Just as one instance of voter fraud is one too many, a single voter denied his or her right to vote because of a clerical error or the vagaries of data analysis is one too many as well,” Andino testified.

We couldn’t agree more.

Both Haley and S.C. Attorney General Alan Wilson have made plenty of political hay by parroting Shwedo’s allegations. Specifically, they’ve both been using the “dead voters” line to protest a U.S. Justice Department lawsuit aimed at blocking South Carolina’s new voter ID law.

Based on this new information, it looks like both of them owe Andino an apology …

Meanwhile Shwedo – who not only accused Andino of incompetence but flat out accused her of participating in the alleged election fraud – owes taxpayers his letter of resignation.

Unfortunately, GOP lawmakers seem less interested in uncovering the truth and more interested in manufacturing instances of voter fraud in South Carolina. Why? Because they believe the new voter ID law enhances their prospects at the ballot box – which means this could wind up being one of Haley’s many lies that lawmakers actually embrace as one of their own.

That’s unfortunate, particularly seeing as South Carolina’s “Dead Voter-gate” appears to be yet another one of the Haley administration’s many lies.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Riot

Who is misleading who?

Exactly. You are now using an op-ed piece to "prove" what an earlier article really meant to say. Nice try. Oh, and I'm glad to see that you can make an exception to your self-proclaimed strict adherence to copyright laws.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Exactly. You are now using an op-ed piece to "prove" what an earlier article really meant to say. Nice try. Oh, and I'm glad to see that you can make an exception to your self-proclaimed strict adherence to copyright laws.

You said I was misleading. So why haven't you proven it? Name one dead voter who voted in South Carolina. Use either article - because it's not in either one, nor in the original article 'Zig posted days ago. Or use one of your own.

It never said the entire claim had been declared false.

The claim was nothing more than a wild allegation - it was never declared true in the first place LOL ! Not one proven instance of dead voters voting was provided.

And since then, when pressed by the State (as this is a felony if true), they haven't cooperated with attempts to prove their claim. In fact, the measly six proof attempts they supplied were found false immediately. Their claim of "900 dead voters voting" is completely mythical so far. They can't even prove even one happened. Reality bites hard, doesn't it? You are defending a fantasy. Don't tell me "I'm misleading", when you are alleging something that's apparently invisible.

You hate America. Just admit it, b.itch.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You hate America. Just admit it, b.itch.

I don't think she hates America. I just think she has a strong persecution complex.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Riot

You said I was misleading. So why haven't you proven it? Name one dead voter who voted in South Carolina. Use either article - because it's not in either one, nor in the original article 'Zig posted days ago. Or use one of your own.



The claim was nothing more than a wild allegation - it was never declared true in the first place LOL ! Not one proven instance of dead voters voting was provided.

And since then, when pressed by the State (as this is a felony if true), they haven't cooperated with attempts to prove their claim. In fact, the measly six proof attempts they supplied were found false immediately. Their claim of "900 dead voters voting" is completely mythical so far. They can't even prove even one happened. Reality bites hard, doesn't it? You are defending a fantasy. Don't tell me "I'm misleading", when you are alleging something that's apparently invisible.

Spin it all you desire, but the article you cited did not state what you indicated that it did, hence, your attempt to mislead. Unfortunately, you are so caught up in spinning your webs of deceit that you are incapable of seeing what is obvious. I hope you get some help.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Spin it all you desire, but the article you cited did not state what you indicated that it did, hence, your attempt to mislead. Unfortunately, you are so caught up in spinning your webs of deceit that you are incapable of seeing what is obvious. I hope you get some help.

when i see that people have quoted ms pretentious, i just scroll down-i wish the ignore feature kept quotes from appearing, but i guess that's impossible...but my fast moves still didn't keep me from seeing my name in her bs above. just want to clarify that she's made up something (again). i didn't post any articles regarding dead people voting.
you guys may continue. i wish you luck. you'll need it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

when i see that people have quoted ms pretentious, i just scroll down-i wish the ignore feature kept quotes from appearing, but i guess that's impossible...but my fast moves still didn't keep me from seeing my name in her bs above. just want to clarify that she's made up something (again). i didn't post any articles regarding dead people voting.
you guys may continue. i wish you luck. you'll need it.

Sorry - I remembered you talking about the article, here, but you were indeed quoting Golfer posting the article. Now, you can make that out falsely to be me making some silly attempt at a deliberate lie, or the real error it was. Depends upon how truthful you are with yourself.

Originally Posted by Danzig

all the more reason to require an id. to say that requiring such would keep people from voting is preposterous. we should be doing everything possible to keep our elections from being tampered with.

Face it, DaTruth: there was only an initial allegation of 900 dead people voting. Those making the allegation are refusing to cooperate with the investigation by other state agencies. They submitted six names, that have been found not to be dead people voting. And 10 names they said were dead, that were not.

... the report from Shwedo’s agency was immediately seized upon by those who support the new voter ID law as evidence of the sort of “rampant voter fraud” that this legislation was created to stop. Beyond that, though, Shwedo accused the South Carolina Election Commission (SCEC) of having foreknowledge of this fraud – and doing nothing to stop it.

Since then, however, Shwedo’s office has failed to publicly release its report – and has refused to provide its list of “dead voters” to the Election Commission. Only S.C. Attorney General Alan Wilson (and presumably Haley) have been provided with copies of the document.

How many dead people have been found to have voted? That would be none so far. You wrongly assumed the allegation true. Now it's being shown it's false. Spin away - you can't change the facts, so be sure to make it all about how awful I am

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Danzig

when i see that people have quoted ms pretentious, i just scroll down-i wish the ignore feature kept quotes from appearing, but i guess that's impossible...but my fast moves still didn't keep me from seeing my name in her bs above. just want to clarify that she's made up something (again). i didn't post any articles regarding dead people voting.
you guys may continue. i wish you luck. you'll need it.

I need to take your advice and put her on the ignore list again.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Spin it all you desire, but the article you cited did not state what you indicated that it did, hence, your attempt to mislead. Unfortunately, you are so caught up in spinning your webs of deceit that you are incapable of seeing what is obvious. I hope you get some help.

Seriously? The guy who wrongly took a mere allegation as voter fraud as the truth, is calling it a "web of deceit" when further investigation into the alleged voter fraud is finding it false?

That's right - it's all my fault you were wrong

Even though I wasn't posting the article to prove anyone "wrong", I was merely posting it as the allegation had been made, and now is proving false and far more complicated.

But some of you guys are so effing immature you can't talk politics without cursing, swearing, calling names, making it personal. Geeshus, get a grip on reality.

Everybody knows who the people on this board are that make political talk about about hate or anger at other posters they don't agree with. Get effing help for your anger management problems, because you have a long way to go, and life isn't going to give you everything you demand politically.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Riot

Seriously?

Yes. It is all my fault that you misrepresent articles that you provide links to. You were caught trying to mislead people again. I'm not surprised, as it is par for course for people like you. Stop acting like a little kid and own up to it. You won't be on the road to recovery until you admit you have a problem with misleading others.