Lakers trade

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Still gets them in the lottery.

Though might get them in the latter part of the lottery.

[Cannon Shell]

Can't believe Clippers gave up Gordon AND MN pick. Gordon gets screwed by Stern, stuck in NO now. But hey at least the Hornets have enough players to field a team now.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Can't believe Clippers gave up Gordon AND MN pick. Gordon gets screwed by Stern, stuck in NO now. But hey at least the Hornets have enough players to field a team now.

I think the Hornets certainly made out better this way.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think the Hornets certainly made out better this way.

Agreed

Though the NBA (office/Stern) comes out of this looking terrible. Of course Gordon will probably be bolting in 2 years as well. As for the vaunted draft pick the Kings drafted 1 and 3 in recent years, had one of those picks win the RoY and they are still a weak team.

[RockHardTen1985]

This is such a good trade for the Hornets. Clippers are insane IMO. Paul is clearly a superstar, but is there enough around them to contend for a Championship? I say no shot. They can contend for a playoff spot, but so do 20 other teams. The Hornets potentially got 2 stars out of this. Gordon and the pick. I predict that pick ends up being a top 3 pick.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

This is such a good trade for the Hornets. Clippers are insane IMO. Paul is clearly a superstar, but is there enough around them to contend for a Championship? I say no shot. They can contend for a playoff spot, but so do 20 other teams. The Hornets potentially got 2 stars out of this. Gordon and the pick. I predict that pick ends up being a top 3 pick.

That isn't exactly a bold prediction.

The Clippers are a lock for the playoffs. They aren't just contending for one. The problem is Paul will probably bolt in two years, probably for the Knicks.

The Lakers are in trouble. They were exposed last year, and the one really consistent player is now gone (other than Kobe, of course). Kobe is not the guy he once was either obviously. I hear a lot about Howard, but I don't see him leading a team to a title. He would have to be the second best player, so they better do a trade soon.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

That isn't exactly a bold prediction.

The Clippers are a lock for the playoffs. They aren't just contending for one. The problem is Paul will probably bolt in two years, probably for the Knicks.

The Lakers are in trouble. They were exposed last year, and the one really consistent player is now gone (other than Kobe, of course). Kobe is not the guy he once was either obviously. I hear a lot about Howard, but I don't see him leading a team to a title. He would have to be the second best player, so they better do a trade soon.

We can agree on the bottom line. The Clippers have the much better future as long as they resign Paul. I just dont like how they got that future giving up Gordon and the pick. I think you and I are the ones who have said 10x now how big this draft is going to be. The Clippers had a better future then the Lakers before they pulled the trigger on this trade. It feels like Kobes window is 2 years tops, and thats if they get another star. The Clippers could have let the Lakers give up 3 players for Paul and still have had a competitive team now and a bright future. When I told Chuck 2 weeks ago I dont love Howard he told me hes the best big in the league. He might be the best big in this league with no other bigs, but I have not seen any offensive skill out of the guy yet. I know hes only 26 though and does a lot of other things. I doubt he can ever win a title alone. He needs another superstar to feed him.

[Dahoss]

So the Lakers come out of this whole ordeal with no Chris Paul and they traded away the best sixth man in the league for a draft pick?

Ouch.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

So the Lakers come out of this whole ordeal with no Chris Paul and they traded away the best sixth man in the league for a draft pick?

Ouch.

If your a Laker fan you gotta hope they are making a move on Dwight Howard. Gasol and Bynum has to be better then Lopez and a first round pick. If your taking Dwight your taking Hedo's contract. Maybe thats why Oden was basicley given away.

[Dahoss]

Even if that is their plan, it didn't address any of their concerns. They were picked apart by strong guard play in the playoffs. So even if they get Howard, it's probably going to be at the expense of at least Bynum and maybe Gasol.

So you gain Howard, Hedo and a draft pick for Odom, Gasol and Bynum and you are still old at guard. Plus they lost Shannon Brown to free agency, but they signed Josh McRoberts so I guess all is well.

Not Mitch Cupchack's finest off season.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Agreed

Though the NBA (office/Stern) comes out of this looking terrible. Of course Gordon will probably be bolting in 2 years as well. As for the vaunted draft pick the Kings drafted 1 and 3 in recent years, had one of those picks win the RoY and they are still a weak team.

Some drafts are better than others. The Wizards took Kwame Brown first one year the draft was that bad. RoY isn't a big deal when the draft class isn't that good. It ususally goes to a player on a bad team that gets a lot of minutes. I wouldn't take Evans for even James Harden, picked one spot ahead. That was Blake Griffin and then a big drop. Since Griffin didn't play, somebody had to win it.

This year's draft is very good.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Some drafts are better than others. The Wizards took Kwame Brown first one year the draft was that bad. RoY isn't a big deal when the draft class isn't that good. It ususally goes to a player on a bad team that gets a lot of minutes. I wouldn't take Evans for even James Harden, picked one spot ahead. That was Blake Griffin and then a big drop. Since Griffin didn't play, somebody had to win it.

This year's draft is very good.

This years class may be good compared to recent drafts I agree. But the draft is not like it was when college players stayed 3 or 4 years. Busts are easier to come by and there seems to be no international players this year. The positive is that you get control of the players for roughly 6 years so if you draft well you can build around core guys. The negative is you are drafting guys with 20 odd games of experiences against pretty soft for the most part competition.