LSU vs Bama

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wait, doug just asked why georgia was in the sec championship game-he's got a point since they were at best the fourth best team in the conference. but for boise purposes, they're a top team...i don't think so.
as for boise, they need to have a tougher schedule-one tough game isn't a tough schedule. when you see other schools throw down more often than not, of course they'll be more favored at years end.

and yes, i concede the point that there are far too many bowls. when 6-7 ucla is bowl eligible, something's wrong!!

Zero teams play Boise home and home any more. Oregon did, Oregon State did and ended up 1-3. Or STate did beat them at home. they left D1AA and joined WAC why was that outrageous?? Where in the country is Boise located at the time of that move?? They left the WAC and joned Mountain West this year. They had no clue Utah and BYU were leaving at the time that happened. So you think they should play more than one SEC team out of conference on the road?? they have a nice program that wins. That's pretty much my only claim in this. This was one of the few years where them going undefeated could have gotten them in the championship game but they weren't good enough to do it. You want a freaking medal for playing Oregon, Boise's done that multiple times. Boise doesn't deserve a medal for playing Georgia or anyone and they won't be getting one which is fine. They're playing Big East now which I think is stupid, I'd prefer they stay in the Mountain West.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Zero teams play Boise home and home any more. Oregon did, Oregon State did and ended up 1-3. Or STate did beat them at home. they left D1AA and joined WAC why was that outrageous?? Where in the country is Boise located at the time of that move?? They left the WAC and joned Mountain West this year. They had no clue Utah and BYU were leaving at the time that happened. So you think they should play more than one SEC team out of conference on the road?? they have a nice program that wins. That's pretty much my only claim in this. This was one of the few years where them going undefeated could have gotten them in the championship game but they weren't good enough to do it. You want a freaking medal for playing Oregon, Boise's done that multiple times. Boise doesn't deserve a medal for playing Georgia or anyone and they won't be getting one which is fine. They're playing Big East now which I think is stupid, I'd prefer they stay in the Mountain West.

no, i don't want a freaking medal for playing oregon. i want a crystal trophy shaped like a football! and we're not going for that trophy because we played oregon.

it's because we played them as well as wva, alabama, auburn, ark, etc, etc and won them all. they started calling the sec west murderers row for a reason.
honestly, i was disappointed boise lost. i wanted them to win them all so we could crush them and stop the hype for a while.

[King Glorious]

Let's get something straight. Boise was not going to get in over a one-loss Alabama or LSU even if they were undefeated. I think they have shown over the years that they can play with anybody for one game. I also think we all understand that they couldn't come close to the same type of success they have now if they had to play a full SEC or Big 12 schedule. I realize how hard it is for them to schedule better because nobody wants to go the and play them. Whether that's fair or not, that's the reality. In a playoff, they could win a game but they couldn't win two or three. They don't have the depth. As good and entertaining as they are, the schedule they play doesn't compare to what LSU and other SEC teams have to play or what Big 12 teams play.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Let's get something straight. Boise was not going to get in over a one-loss Alabama or LSU even if they were undefeated. I think they have shown over the years that they can play with anybody for one game. I also think we all understand that they couldn't come close to the same type of success they have now if they had to play a full SEC or Big 12 schedule. I realize how hard it is for them to schedule better because nobody wants to go the and play them. Whether that's fair or not, that's the reality. In a playoff, they could win a game but they couldn't win two or three. They don't have the depth. As good and entertaining as they are, the schedule they play doesn't compare to what LSU and other SEC teams have to play or what Big 12 teams play.

so, if everyone knows that, why the constant criticism of the system when they don't get a big game post-season?
i don't get how it can be hard to schedule. other schools do it-so why can't they?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, if everyone knows that, why the constant criticism of the system when they don't get a big game post-season?
i don't get how it can be hard to schedule. other schools do it-so why can't they?

Every year, Alabama has to play LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and a couple of teams from the other side of the conference that are usually top 15 teams. Their conference schedule is very tough. Same thing for a Big 12 team. They don't want to add another tough game by adding Boise. They will play them in a game like the kickoff game because it's a neutral field game. They won't schedule a home and home with Boise. Boise can get some games against them but it always has to be on the road. So what do you do if you Boise? Do you schedule at Bama, at Oregon, at Texas, etc. every year and come out with 2-3 losses or do you keep doing what you're doing and winning 12-13 games a year, having a great shot at getting a BCS bid, and if things shake out right, being in the title hunt every year?

[clyde]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Every year, Alabama has to play LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and a couple of teams from the other side of the conference that are usually top 15 teams. Their conference schedule is very tough. Same thing for a Big 12 team. They don't want to add another tough game by adding Boise. They will play them in a game like the kickoff game because it's a neutral field game. They won't schedule a home and home with Boise. Boise can get some games against them but it always has to be on the road. So what do you do if you Boise? Do you schedule at Bama, at Oregon, at Texas, etc. every year and come out with 2-3 losses or do you keep doing what you're doing and winning 12-13 games a year, having a great shot at getting a BCS bid, and if things shake out right, being in the title hunt every year?

( psssst...KG, she's in a foul mood.Tony got laid off.She will bite you! Back off.)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by clyde

( psssst...KG, she's in a foul mood.Tony got laid off.She will bite you! Back off.)

no, actually i'm in a good mood. and tony didn't get laid off, not sure why you said that.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, actually i'm in a good mood. and tony didn't get laid off, not sure why you said that.

thud

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Every year, Alabama has to play LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and a couple of teams from the other side of the conference that are usually top 15 teams. Their conference schedule is very tough. Same thing for a Big 12 team. They don't want to add another tough game by adding Boise. They will play them in a game like the kickoff game because it's a neutral field game. They won't schedule a home and home with Boise. Boise can get some games against them but it always has to be on the road. So what do you do if you Boise? Do you schedule at Bama, at Oregon, at Texas, etc. every year and come out with 2-3 losses or do you keep doing what you're doing and winning 12-13 games a year, having a great shot at getting a BCS bid, and if things shake out right, being in the title hunt every year?

all i'm saying is you can't have it both ways. you have to play to get a shot at the top games. if you aren't willing to attempt a tougher schedule, than you can't expect a reward at the end of a season.
look at houston-crept to #6 because they were undefeated. people gave them more credit than they deserved, and that's why they got that high. thankfully so. miss. exposed them. you can't play less than a top notch schedule and then demand to be treated as top notch.

[clyde]

Loss of income and pms.


That's a killer.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Every year, Alabama has to play LSU, So what do you do if you Boise? Do you schedule at Bama, at Oregon, at Texas, etc. every year and come out with 2-3 losses or do you keep doing what you're doing and winning 12-13 games a year, having a great shot at getting a BCS bid, and if things shake out right, being in the title hunt every year?

They do the same thing every year...play one BCS conference school every year, hopefully the first game so they have an entire offseason to prepare for it, then play a mix of MAC and WAC teams...some on the road even!! (which BCS teams absolutely don't do!!) Pray they go undefeated in conference and that mixture has been proven to get them a BCS game. One loss and they're done. Same thing happens every single year. now that they're BCS and in the Big East for football, that forumula is likely over.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, if everyone knows that, why the constant criticism of the system when they don't get a big game post-season?
i don't get how it can be hard to schedule. other schools do it-so why can't they?

They do. No one usually plays more than one big time school out of conference game...I give credit for LSU scheduling WV this year I guess as well as Oregon...they one upped most teams I guess.


Did you forget the Northwestern State and Western Kentucky games this year??? All 5 of Boise's out of conference foes were better than them.

The SEC makes a tough schedule built in for those teams.

out of conference Boise opponents since turn of the century...They didn't go D1 til 1997.

Georgia twice
Va Tech
Oregon twice
Oregon State 4 times
Arkansas twice
Utah twice
Washington
Washington state twice
South Carolina
BYU twice
Arizona State

3 SEC teams, 5 Pac 10 teams, ACC, and the regional Utah/BYU matchups. They've scheduled people. You want them to play Alabama, LSU, USC, ORegon in one season all on the road, that's not gonna happen.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

They do. No one usually plays more than one big time school out of conference game...I give credit for LSU scheduling WV this year I guess as well as Oregon...they one upped most teams I guess.


Did you forget the Northwestern State and Western Kentucky games this year??? All 5 of Boise's out of conference foes were better than them.

The SEC makes a tough schedule built in for those teams.

out of conference Boise opponents since turn of the century...They didn't go D1 til 1997.

Georgia twice
Va Tech
Oregon twice
Oregon State 4 times
Arkansas twice
Utah twice
Washington
Washington state twice
South Carolina
BYU twice
Arizona State

3 SEC teams, 5 Pac 10 teams, ACC, and the regional Utah/BYU matchups. They've scheduled people. You want them to play Alabama, LSU, USC, ORegon in one season all on the road, that's not gonna happen.

nope, didn't forget the bad teams...ole miss-winless in the sec two years running, western ky...

i don't care who boise plays. it just rankles when they go undefeated and start bragging, and then you look at their schedule.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

nope, didn't forget the bad teams...ole miss-winless in the sec two years running, western ky...

i don't care who boise plays. it just rankles when they go undefeated and start bragging, and then you look at their schedule.

Why? Going undefeated is a good thing! And they didn't do it so it's moot. I see common opponents on LSU and Boise State's schedule too.

I maintain there is no possible way Boise goes worse than 10-3 playing LSUs schedule this year. the only likely losses I see on that ledger are Alabama and Arkansas. The rest they likely win...I even think they beat Oregon too this year if they played. And they did roll Georgia so they are already 1-0 playing LSU's schedule. The sure complete and total brutality of the SEC probably gives them another loss to a team they should beat I guess. They've played and beaten some good teams the last 10 years. It is what it is. They're not good enough to go unbeaten in the SEC, no one has claimed that. They are good enough to compete with any team in the country on any given day. I do claim that.

[RockHardTen1985]

The line opens at LSU minus 1 and Bama is up to a 1 point favorite at most places. Really unreal to me. If thats the case Ill make a GIANT WAGER ON LSU. I thought they had to open around 4.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

nope, didn't forget the bad teams...ole miss-winless in the sec two years running, western ky...

i don't care who boise plays. it just rankles when they go undefeated and start bragging, and then you look at their schedule.

You are being unreasonable. First off Boise State is a recent development, only over the last 10 years has the program taken off and they have become a national power. You are trying to compare teams from the SEC to a team that plays in Idaho. Idaho isn't exactly fertile recruiting grounds nor is it a media hot spot. The fact is that they are doing this with a tenth of the budget that the SEC schools have, are in a remote area of the country that 75% of college football recruits couldnt pick out on a map, had to install a blue field to get some buzz, and consistently wins 11 and 12 games a year. Earlier in their run top BCS teams were willing to schedule them. Now? Outside the kickoff classic/1st game of the year who outside of the regional Pac-12 teams are willing to go out there? Nobody. Who wants to play them? Nobody. There is a good reason as there is little to gain and a lot to lose and the bigger BCS schools realize this. The Pac 12 doesnt want them because outside of football they have little to offer. The problem with SEC people is that they dont seem to understand that the system is rigged in their favor and teams like Boise are good for the game. The NCAA basketball tournament is a far superior system because every team in Division I has a fair chance at winning the championship and strength of schedule and those other nebulous items are only used for seeding. A playoff system would is a legitimate ending to the season. What we have now is an undefeated team and a lot of propoganda. Don't forget Boise became legit players on the National scene because the won a BCS game against a top program in Oklahoma, not because they were undefeated. Being undefeated gave them that opportunity but winning the game on the field is what made them.

[Danzig]

i'm being unreasonable? hey, good for boise they get a lot of attention. all i'm saying is that they want to play in a top bowl, they need to play a top schedule. you can't have your cake and eat it too in this case. you can't play a light schedule and then ask to be taken seriously, to be put in the same category as bama, lsu, oregon, etc.

not sure how suddenly 'the system is rigged'. not long ago we had an undefeated team get passed over for consideration for the title game(auburn).
the population of the country has inexorably shifted south-it makes sense that football would see some results from that.