LSU vs Bama

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

How does a team who failed to qualify for a confrence championship game get to play in the national title game?

I really don't care if they're one of the two best teams... or the best one-loss team.

If you finish 2nd out of 6 in a division of the SEC -- you have no business playing for a national title.

Stupid.

the system is supposed to produce the two best teams for the title game. if they're the best two, and it seems you agree that they are, what more is there to say?
should alabama be punished because it's in the same conference and division as lsu? that seems somewhat unfair, doesn't it? it wouldn't be right to exclude a team solely because of where it plays. if it's the 2nd best team, it's the 2nd best team.
lsu is the only no loss team. bama has one, in ot-which gives it a better record than any other team in the top 20 except okla state. however, bama's ot loss was to lsu, whereas ok st lost in ot to iowa state, who has a 6-6 record.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the system is supposed to produce the two best teams for the title game. if they're the best two, and it seems you agree that they are, what more is there to say?
should alabama be punished because it's in the same conference and division as lsu?

Certainly they appear the two best teams -- but that's the system that the conference championship game should produce.

Why did Georgia need to play LSU last week? Boise State ran circles around them.

The National Title game should be determined by an 8-team tournament where each conference is represented by a single champion.

SEC, ACC, Pac 10, Big 10, Big 12. Big East are the six automatic confrences whose champion always gets represented.

The other two playoff slots go to the two highest ranked Champions among: Conference USA, Mountain West (TCU), WAC (Boise State), MAC (they have a good team once every 5 years) or an Independant such as Notre Dame.

The regular season would be more important -- the confrence championship games would all be more important -- and the playoff would be interesting.

Seed the highest against the lowest. 1 hosts 8. 2 hosts 7. 3 hosts 6. 4 hosts 5. Championship game played at select venue.

Pretty. Fucl<ing. Simple.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Certainly they appear the two best teams -- but that's the system that the conference championship game should produce.

Why did Georgia need to play LSU last week? Boise State ran circles around them.

The National Title game should be determined by an 8-team tournament where each conference is represented by a single champion.

SEC, ACC, Pac 10, Big 10, Big 12. Big East are the six automatic confrences whose champion always gets represented.

The other two playoff slots go to the two highest ranked Champions among: Conference USA, Mountain West (TCU), WAC (Boise State), MAC (they have a good team once every 5 years) or an Independant such as Notre Dame.

The regular season would be more important -- the confrence championship games would all be more important -- and the playoff would be interesting.

Seed the highest against the lowest. 1 hosts 8. 2 hosts 7. 3 hosts 6. 4 hosts 5. Championship game played at select venue.

Pretty. Fucl<ing. Simple.

you lost me at Notre Dame

[horseofcourse]

Without a playoff, a 1 loss SEC team deserves to play for it period over any other 1 loss team. Boise State, Wisconsin and Oklahoma State all had their shots and blew it...end of story. Short field goal miss...again, Hail mary's two straight weeks, Iowa freaking State. The two best teams are playing for the National Championship which is the design of the BCS. It got it right. There needs to be an 8 or 16 team playoff however like all other NCAA divisions.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Without a playoff, a 1 loss SEC team deserves to play for it period over any other 1 loss team. Boise State, Wisconsin and Oklahoma State all had their shots and blew it...end of story. Short field goal miss...again, Hail mary's two straight weeks, Iowa freaking State. The two best teams are playing for the National Championship which is the design of the BCS. It got it right. There needs to be an 8 or 16 team playoff however like all other NCAA divisions.

i can see a valid argument for okla st getting in over alabama. but people have gone to the lowest common denominator on the two teams single loss. bama to lsu, os to a 6-6 team. but people need to look at the overall schedule of both teams.
did they still choose correctly? computers had ok st higher based on strength of schedule.

wisc lost twice.
boise st needs a tougher schedule. honestly, i was hoping boise would go perfect and come to la for the title game so lsu could shut that crap up once and for all..

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i can see a valid argument for okla st getting in over alabama. but people have gone to the lowest common denominator on the two teams single loss. bama to lsu, os to a 6-6 team. but people need to look at the overall schedule of both teams.
did they still choose correctly? computers had ok st higher based on strength of schedule.

wisc lost twice.
boise st needs a tougher schedule. honestly, i was hoping boise would go perfect and come to la for the title game so lsu could shut that crap up once and for all..

I don't care what the computers say. Alabama's better. I saw Alabama play LSU. The difference in that game was a better field goal kicking unit by LSU which is part of the game without question. That's it. If you told Gundy before the season all you need to do to play for the national championship is beat Iowa State, he'd take it....tell Chris Peterson all he has to do is make a 35 yard field goal against TCU he'd take it. They both failed. the end.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I don't care what the computers say. Alabama's better. I saw Alabama play LSU. The difference in that game was a better field goal kicking unit by LSU which is part of the game without question. That's it. If you told Gundy before the season all you need to do to play for the national championship is beat Iowa State, he'd take it....tell Chris Peterson all he has to do is make a 35 yard field goal against TCU he'd take it. They both failed. the end.

yes, i saw them play too. and i said that the game bama lost is why they're in, and not okla st. but does that negate the total of their seasons? perhaps, it seems it may. ok st said they played a tougher schedule; i don't know that it's the case.

[King Glorious]

OSU played and beat more teams in the top 20 than Alabama did. They were ranked higher in the computers because their strength of schedule was higher and I believe that with all the talk of how strong the SEC is, the Big 12 came out as the highest rated this season. Saban said in 2003 that his team deserved to be in the title game against Oklahoma because those two teams had played conference title games while USC didn't. I guess he's singing a different tune now.

Really, there shouldn't be a title game this year. LSU deserves the title for their body of work this season. If Alabama beats them, there well be rioting in Louisiana and rightfully so. I will never understand why LSU has to win twice for the title but Alabama only has to won once. I don't want to hear that Alabama the best team in the game they lost. This isn't horse racing where you lose the Classic and still get the title. LSU won the game on Alabama's home field.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

boise st needs a tougher schedule. honestly, i was hoping boise would go perfect and come to la for the title game so lsu could shut that crap up once and for all..

I'm sick of this. They played Georgia this year, VA Tech, last year, Oregon home and home the two years before that....they're playing a top BCS school out of conference always. And beating them. It doesn't matter anyway, they lost in conference two straight years. Give Peterson an offseason or a month to prepare they can play with anyone. I have no illusions a full season in the SEC they'd go much better than .500 however.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm sick of this. They played Georgia this year, VA Tech, last year, Oregon home and home the two years before that....they're playing a top BCS school out of conference always. And beating them. It doesn't matter anyway, they lost in conference two straight years. Give Peterson an offseason or a month to prepare they can play with anyone. I have no illusions a full season in the SEC they'd go much better than .500 however.

big deal that they played georgia this year. go look at who lsu played this year; it wasn't just one top team. same for auburn, ga, etc. boise st has yet to play a schedule similar to other top programs, til they do they're up for criticism and with good reason.
lsu went on the road and played oregon, wva, alabama. how many ranked opponents did they face this year? i believe all but three teams were ranked when lsu squared off against them; most of their opposition is in a bowl game. can boise say the same? nope.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Certainly they appear the two best teams -- but that's the system that the conference championship game should produce.

Why did Georgia need to play LSU last week? Boise State ran circles around them.

The National Title game should be determined by an 8-team tournament where each conference is represented by a single champion.

SEC, ACC, Pac 10, Big 10, Big 12. Big East are the six automatic confrences whose champion always gets represented.

The other two playoff slots go to the two highest ranked Champions among: Conference USA, Mountain West (TCU), WAC (Boise State), MAC (they have a good team once every 5 years) or an Independant such as Notre Dame.

The regular season would be more important -- the confrence championship games would all be more important -- and the playoff would be interesting.

Seed the highest against the lowest. 1 hosts 8. 2 hosts 7. 3 hosts 6. 4 hosts 5. Championship game played at select venue.

Pretty. Fucl<ing. Simple.

ga played because they won the sec east. the sec is divided into two divisions, much like other conferences. it doesn't always produce the two best teams in the conference in the championship game, much like other conferences...witness oregon vs ucla the other day for example.
the system you advocate above would preclude alabama from playing. how would that be 'fair'? some conferences produce teams who don't stack up vs other conferences ( southern miss anyone? big east winner?), which would mean some champs who don't belong in the finals would be in automatically while deserving teams ( such as alabama, who wouldn't be in the finals as you suggest them) would be left out.

currently, the system brings in the top teams in the bowls, conference championships notwithstanding.

the current system isn't perfect; but neither is what you just suggested. every game currently does count, which is why okla state is on the outside looking in.