11/5 (CD): Breeders' Cup Saturday (Final Fields)

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Wide the whole way? There were all of 6 horses in the race. He sat 2 off the rail throughout until making his bid, which wasn't early, on the far turn. The winner went even wider. He simply wasn't good enough.

The odds of him getting a better trip in a 14-horse field versus better horses are not good.

I just watched it on Calracing to be sure. Are we both talking about the August 27th race at Del Mar, if we are I strongly disagree with you.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I just watched it on Calracing to be sure. Are we both talking about the August 27th race at Del Mar, if we are I strongly disagree with you.

Sounds good to me.

What part don't you agree with? That the winner went wider into the stretch or that there were only 6 horses in the race?

I suppose since he lost the race by a nose, any trouble could be regarded as "significant", but in the end, was it enough to justify Mr. Commons finishing in a 4-horse blanket finish with the likes of Calmonico and Victory Pete, when we're talking about his chances in the BC Mile?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Sounds good to me.

What part don't you agree with? That the winner went wider into the stretch or that there were only 6 horses in the race?

I suppose since he lost the race by a nose, any trouble could be regarded as "significant", but in the end, was it enough to justify Mr. Commons finishing in a 4-horse blanket finish with the likes of Calmonico and Victory Pete, when we're talking about his chances in the BC Mile?

You said the winner went even wider. Not wider into the stretch, big difference. The winner hugged the rail the entire race, until tipping out for the stretch run. Wish there was trakus. As for the entire trip... When is it good to be wide with no cover the entire way around the track in an 8f turf race? He was 3-4 wide into the first turn, he was at least that wide into the lane as well. As for the move, if it was not premature Im not sure what a premature move is then. Not to mention he broke dead last and was ahead of the chalk going into the first turn. It was a classic Mike Smith wide, no cover because I think Im on the best horse trip. Like I said earlier Im not sure about him in the BC he just reminds me a lot of Courageous Cat coming in as a 3yr old. He ran a career top and a fine second to Goldikova.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You said the winner went even wider. Not wider into the stretch, big difference. The winner hugged the rail the entire race, until tipping out for the stretch run. Wish there was trakus. As for the entire trip... When is it good to be wide with no cover the entire way around the track in an 8f turf race? He was 3-4 wide into the first turn, he was at least that wide into the lane as well. As for the move, if it was not premature Im not sure what a premature move is then. Not to mention he broke dead last and was ahead of the chalk going into the first turn. It was a classic Mike Smith wide, no cover because I think Im on the best horse trip. Like I said earlier Im not sure about him in the BC he just reminds me a lot of Courageous Cat coming in as a 3yr old. He ran a career top and a fine second to Goldikova.

There is.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You said the winner went even wider. Not wider into the stretch, big difference. The winner hugged the rail the entire race, until tipping out for the stretch run.

From the head on, Caracortado stayed one extra path off the rail. He basically drafted in behind Mr. Commons.

As for the entire trip... When is it good to be wide with no cover the entire way around the track in an 8f turf race? He was 3-4 wide into the first turn, he was at least that wide into the lane as well.

3-wide is a big deal? Caracortado had no cover.

As for the move, if it was not premature Im not sure what a premature move is then.

He started to advance into to the far turn. His strongest bid was entering the stretch. At no point until maybe the 1/16th pole did he even make the lead. It's not like he went all in at the 1/2, opened up on the field, and wilted. He followed Victory Pete's bid for the lead.

Not to mention he broke dead last and was ahead of the chalk going into the first turn.

Not sure it's Smith's fault that the colt broke flat footed. Obviously he has a bit of tactical speed, and Smith had to pass 2 horses on the turn once the horse got in stride. He went a little wide (3 wide) as a result.

It was a classic Mike Smith wide, no cover because I think Im on the best horse trip. Like I said earlier Im not sure about him in the BC he just reminds me a lot of Courageous Cat coming in as a 3yr old. He ran a career top and a fine second to Goldikova.

Courageous Cat, who broke his maiden in June at 3, nearly tied to course records in 3 subsequent races leading up to the BC. His only loss was an odd run in the Jamaica, where he set the early pace, ended up stalking, fell back on the turn, then rerallied. Meanwhile, Mr. Commons has a listed stakes win to his credit and a bunch of defeats that counter any notion that he is a top class horse at this point. He'll be lucky to emulate Navesink (2001) or Walkslikeaduck (2000).