Elway trying to draft the next Elway

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

True it was the Dolphins and true they were lucky but the guy performed in crunch time. Say what you will, and he's easy to be critical of, but I've seen many many worse first games. Karma is powerful, lets see how it translates to the NFL.

I'm pretty sure he started 3 games last year. Won one of them passing for over 300 against Houston.

[horseofcourse]

I still think the title of this thread is all this is about. I'm pretty sure Elway wants Tebow to fail and he wants to get Luck. It is no coincidence the Broncos traded by leaps and bounds their best offensive player (Brandon Lloyd) before Tebow's first start. So he's gonna get to play without their top threat too the rest of the year. Perhaps this is simply because Lloyd is a free agent and he was gone anyway and they want to play Thomas full time, but this was a really bad football team whether Tebow plays or not anyway. Trading Brandon Lloyd made the team even worse. It's gonna be really tough to out do the Dolphins and Colts for the Broncos now with that win however.

[hi_im_god]

surprise!

tim tebow is playing an average defense without two weeks to prepare.

[hi_im_god]

where are the "start orton" billboards?

[King Glorious]

That was not good today. At all. Now all of the anti-Tebow guys will use this to say "told you so". They will be as wrong as the pro-Tebow guys are in jumping to last week as proof that he will succeed. The truth is that the jury is still out either way and judging him after five starts isn't fair. He's done some good things. He's done some bad. That come with the territory with new starters early in their careers. I still think he'll be ok. We'll see.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That was not good today. At all. Now all of the anti-Tebow guys will use this to say "told you so". They will be as wrong as the pro-Tebow guys are in jumping to last week as proof that he will succeed. The truth is that the jury is still out either way and judging him after five starts isn't fair. He's done some good things. He's done some bad. That come with the territory with new starters early in their careers. I still think he'll be ok. We'll see.

i don't consider myself anti-tebow. he seems like a nicer human being than 90% of the people on this planet.

what i am is anti-blind. apologies to any blind people that read this.

and i reject the suggestion that there's some middle ground between blind people and those that can see in a debate about what color the sky is. and that we need to weigh equally the opinion of those that have no sight.

it's not his fault the bronco's made a terrible decision. it's their front offices fault. if he weren't a first round choice none of this discussion would be taking place.

but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's a demonstrably bad nfl qb and won't be in the league as a starter beyond whatever time it takes for the bronco's to admit the obvious.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i don't consider myself anti-tebow. he seems like a nicer human being than 90% of the people on this planet.

what i am is anti-blind. apologies to any blind people that read this.

and i reject the suggestion that there's some middle ground between blind people and those that can see in a debate about what color the sky is. and that we need to weigh equally the opinion of those that have no sight.

it's not his fault the bronco's made a terrible decision. it's their front offices fault. if he weren't a first round choice none of this discussion would be taking place.

but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's a demonstrably bad nfl qb and won't be in the league as a starter beyond whatever time it takes for the bronco's to admit the obvious.

This could be true but before saying he won't be a starting qb, look at others around the league that are. Look at Beck in Washington who replaced the equally bad Grossman. Tavaris Jackson. McNabb and Orton were starters. Colt McCoy. Joe Flacco. Whoever starts in Miami. There are some bad starters out there. Tebow may be in the bottom 10% of starters but he's not the worst and he'll always be better than some of them out there and will be a starter in the NFL in my opinion.

[ateamstupid]

Just wanted to check in with somer and ask him why karma took the day off on Sunday. Certainly it couldn't have been Tebow sucking, it had to be an absence of karma.