ATR Hall of Fame Debate: Gio Ponti?

[paulo537]

7 G1 wins

14 G1 turf starts with 7 wins.

4 G1 turf starts at 1 Mile. 3 wins. One 2nd to Goldikova.

SW at ages 2,3,4,5,6.

GSW at ages 3,4,5,6

G1 winner at ages 4,5,6

What other horses have NOT made the HoF with 7 Grade 1 wins?

I'd vote yes.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by paulo537

7 G1 wins

14 G1 turf starts with 7 wins.

4 G1 turf starts at 1 Mile. 3 wins. One 2nd to Goldikova.

SW at ages 2,3,4,5,6.

GSW at ages 3,4,5,6

G1 winner at ages 4,5,6

What other horses have NOT made the HoF with 7 Grade 1 wins?

I'd vote yes.

Don't forget lost to Interpatation

[paulo537]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Don't forget lost to Interpatation

Ok.

We can't forget Karelian either.

Originally Posted by paulo537

Ok.

We can't forget Karelian either.

Or Engine One....

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by scat daddy

Or Engine One....

If you include Engine One, you have to consider Maudlin and Duke Mitcell.

[Antitrust32]

On no planet should Gio Ponti be a hall of fame race horse.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

On no planet should Gio Ponti be a hall of fame race horse.

Maybe if Pluto were still a planet.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Don't forget lost to Interpatation

Rachel Alexandra lost to Persistently. They all have limitations Fredo.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Rachel Alexandra lost to Persistently. They all have limitations Fredo.

Persistently was a monster Shug thought she was the next Zenyatta .lol not really.

Happy to have Gio around that's for sure! I would have him in Hall the minute he is eligible

[King Glorious]

Interesting question. I'd say no but then when you look at some others that are in, maybe so. That just gets me back to my feeling that a lot of horses that are in now probably shouldn't be. I say good horse but not great and I end with my usual argument that any horse or player that there has to be a discussion about, where resumes have to be looked at, is not a hall of famer. It shoud be no question.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by paulo537

7 G1 wins

14 G1 turf starts with 7 wins.

4 G1 turf starts at 1 Mile. 3 wins. One 2nd to Goldikova.

SW at ages 2,3,4,5,6.

GSW at ages 3,4,5,6

G1 winner at ages 4,5,6

What other horses have NOT made the HoF with 7 Grade 1 wins?

I'd vote yes.

Just curious 14 G1 turf starts withh 7 wins, How many times did he come in 2nd? Hall of Fame..ABSOLUTELY

[Cannon Shell]

Has Gio Ponti ever beaten a horse that won a year-end championship or has a remote chance of being considered a HoF horse?

I dont know anyone who would call him a great horse. Shouldn't that count for something? I still think it is hard to a specialist to campaign through their 6 year old year, never win a BC race and be considered HoF worthy. While it is commendable that he continued to run that long the HoF used to be about truly great horses.

[KirisClown]

How can Gio Ponti be in the Hall of Fame when a horse like Lure is not?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

How can Gio Ponti be in the Hall of Fame when a horse like Lure is not?

One thing in Gio Ponti's meager favor is that he's a multiple Eclipse champion (Lure won no championships), a rare one at that. He's one of only 3 or 4 that have won back-to-back turf titles, and he's the only horse to win the older male Eclipse without having won a race on dirt.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

and he's the only horse to win the older male Eclipse without having won a race on dirt.

Kodiak Kowboy and Einstein (I believe) -- where the two other finalists that year.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Kodiak Kowboy and Einstein (I believe) -- where the two other finalists that year.

Unfortunately, Einstein didn't win a race on dirt, either. Something that year must have won at least 2 graded stakes over a route of ground somewhere?

[Cannon Shell]

Sky Classic might have a better resume
Paradise Creek was a better horse