9/18 (WO): Woodbine Mile, Northern Dancer (G1's), Canadian (G2)

[Dahoss]

To be honest, I'm not really concerned where his next start is going to be as I think yesterday was the day to have him (thanks Jaime Spencer).

But the reason I played him yesterday was I wasn't really crazy about any of the American horses minus Courageous Cat. In hindsight I definitely overlooked Turrallure, which was a mistake, although it took a flawless ride for him to get home.

I thought Dance and Dance's last was definitely good enough to win this and although it might seem a bit elementary I like the fact he was facing huge fields overseas. He beat home 26 others three back at Ascot, 17 others at Epsom and 16 others at York. In a field where I thought our horses weren't much I wanted to take a shot with a Euro with pretty good form guessing he might be good enough to win.

[my miss storm cat]

Interesting.

Thanks, guys!

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

To be honest, I'm not really concerned where his next start is going to be as I think yesterday was the day to have him (thanks Jaime Spencer).

But the reason I played him yesterday was I wasn't really crazy about any of the American horses minus Courageous Cat. In hindsight I definitely overlooked Turrallure, which was a mistake, although it took a flawless ride for him to get home.

I thought Dance and Dance's last was definitely good enough to win this and although it might seem a bit elementary I like the fact he was facing huge fields overseas. He beat home 26 others three back at Ascot, 17 others at Epsom and 16 others at York. In a field where I thought our horses weren't much I wanted to take a shot with a Euro with pretty good form guessing he might be good enough to win.

Hoss, I took the same approach and liked Dance and Dance for most of the same reasons you mentioned. I got blindsided myself by the winner with Leparoux giving him Rolls Royce ride.

[CSC]

Perfect Shirl maybe the wiseguy horse next time out, but she ran huge to almost get up. Tab for later.

For Dance and Dance one thing that turned me off of him was the trainer had never tasted graded success, even though he was a bit unlucky to Side Glances in his last in Europe in a gr 3, it seemed a bit of a stretch to me, not the strongest european contingent.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

For Dance and Dance one thing that turned me off of him was the trainer had never tasted graded success, even though he was a bit unlucky to Side Glances in his last in Europe in a gr 3, it seemed a bit of a stretch to me, not the strongest european contingent.

After watching the race, taking into account he was completely blocked for nearly the entire stretch, isn't it fair to say he was probably best on Sunday?

I realize this wasn't Europe's best but our milers aren't much as a whole. Vaughan hasn't won a stakes yet, but he's a pretty competent horseman. Didn't he break Dubail Millenium as a yearling?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

After watching the race, taking into account he was completely blocked for nearly the entire stretch, isn't it fair to say he was probably best on Sunday?

I realize this wasn't Europe's best but our milers aren't much as a whole. Vaughan hasn't won a stakes yet, but he's a pretty competent horseman. Didn't he break Dubail Millenium as a yearling?

Yes he had some trouble, perhaps he deserved a better fate, I have viewed the race twice, for me Right One may have been more unlucky, had he gotten a cleaner trip he might have won the race. There were a few horses that were inconvenienced in the stretch, the horse with the best trip won. I can't say with certainty Dance and Dance would have won had he had a clean trip, a better result perhaps but IMO he was not the sure fire best horse Sunday.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Yes he had some trouble, perhaps he deserved a better fate, I have viewed the race twice, for me Right One may have been more unlucky, had he gotten a cleaner trip he might have won the race. There were a few horses that were inconvenienced in the stretch, the horse with the best trip won. I can't say with certainty Dance and Dance would have won had he had a clean trip, a better result perhaps but IMO he was not the sure fire best horse Sunday.

Right One had a very good trip and was simply not good enough. What more needed to go Right One's way?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Right One had a very good trip and was simply not good enough. What more needed to go Right One's way?

Yes, he had a reasonably good trip, but he was buried behind horses and Gomez looked indecisive, he wanted to go outside, but changed course to the the inside as a last resort. The horse did run on and closed, no one is saying he is the best horse in the field, like Dahoss is with Dance and Dance, it's really splitting hairs, the horse that won the race got the best trip, that's all and given the margin of victory of the first 3 finishers, if Gomez got the split with Right One, I don't think it's unreasonable to say he could have won.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

Yes he had some trouble, perhaps he deserved a better fate, I have viewed the race twice, for me Right One may have been more unlucky, had he gotten a cleaner trip he might have won the race. There were a few horses that were inconvenienced in the stretch, the horse with the best trip won. I can't say with certainty Dance and Dance would have won had he had a clean trip, a better result perhaps but IMO he was not the sure fire best horse Sunday.

I think you should watch it again, maybe a few more times.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think you should watch it again, maybe a few more times.

He may be a good horse to bet back, I won't argue that. Again it is subjective to each handicapper.