9/3 (SAR): Woodward, Forego, Personal Ensign (G1's)

[Seattleallstar]

Sidney's Candy is free money btw. He runs anything decent he wins this, another horrible G1 race

[CSC]

Interesting race from the daughter of super broodmare Hasili today.

[Bigsmc]

Huge race by Jackson Bend. Excellent job by Nick Zito with this one. Tough meet, but a Grade 1 should help.

Big fan of Jacks or Better Farms, they continue to breed very good horses with very average mares/sires.

They also know how to enjoy themselves at the track. Fun group, nice to see the "little guys" doing well.

[Dahoss]

I don't think he was beating the winner anyway, but Hamazing Destiny deserved better than he got from Albarado. He sucks.

[King Glorious]

I wonder do the fillies themselves get as intimidated facing the boys as their human connections do? The last few years have shown us over and over again that if given the chance, they can do this with regularity. I could see if the males were Alysheba and Sunday Silence and Formal Gold, and Holy Bull. Then you might be wise to avoid them. But Tizway and Flat Out and Giant Oak? I would rather take them on instead of Blind Luck. I'm happy to see her connections rewarded for not staying conservative and taking a chance where most "experts" said she'd have no chance.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

where most "experts" said she'd have no chance.

I laughed.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I wonder do the fillies themselves get as intimidated facing the boys as their human connections do? The last few years have shown us over and over again that if given the chance, they can do this with regularity. I could see if the males were Alysheba and Sunday Silence and Formal Gold, and Holy Bull. Then you might be wise to avoid them. But Tizway and Flat Out and Giant Oak? I would rather take them on instead of Blind Luck. I'm happy to see her connections rewarded for not staying conservative and taking a chance where most "experts" said she'd have no chance.

I can't believe anyone said she had no chance. She was 8-to-5 on the morning line -- and had run four Beyers of 105 or more in her last six races -- the rest of the entire field had four combined.

Other than Flat Out and Tizway -- the older males are puke. She beat one of the good ones today.

A lot of excuses have been made for the males of the last three or four years - they've been slower than freaking molasses.

Yet -- you hear how we aren't supposed to compare their figures with figures from past groups.

Since Beyer figures have been published in 1991 -- the last four Breeders Cup Juveniles run on a dirt surface have recieved the four highest winning Beyers in the history of the race.

War Pass, Street Sense, Uncle Mo, and Stevie Wonderboy -- would have all drowned horses like Arazi, Favorite Trick, and Unbridled's Song on Beyers. Yet, we are supposed to pretend that the older males of late (who have been about 10-to-12 points slower as a group than par past groups) are as good as they've ever been?

The great Bayakoa failed both times against males. The great Lady's Secret was just 1-for-7 lifetime against males. Horses like Precisionist and Quiet American could run figures in the mid 120's... how many females in history have done that? The answer is zero.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The great Bayakoa failed both times against males. The great Lady's Secret was just 1-for-7 lifetime against males. Horses like Precisionist and Quiet American could run figures in the mid 120's... how many females in history have done that? .

Zenyatta could have but she always "just did enough to win."

[Sightseek]

If Grace runs in the BCC, hopefully network tv finds something else to talk about than Eight Belles.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I can't believe anyone said she had no chance. She was 8-to-5 on the morning line -- and had run four Beyers of 105 or more in her last six races -- the rest of the entire field had four combined.

Other than Flat Out and Tizway -- the older males are puke. She beat one of the good ones today.

If you can't believe anyone said it, go look at the thread on the Delaware Cap when it was suggested her and BL should be facing males. We were told that they wouldn't have a shot against the likes of Tizway, Flat Out, Morning Line, Friend or Foe, and Rail Trip.

As I said earlier, if we were talking about real top class males, that would be different but we aren't. We are talking about the high priced claimers marauding as grade one horses these days. Horses like Blind Luck and HDG might be a couple of steps below the likes of Go for Wand, Personal Ensign, Bayakoa, Paseana, and Azeri.......but the older males are a couple of floors below the good older males of the past that were running 115+ on a regular basis.

Personally, I feel like it's totally irrelevant to mention what Lady's Secret did against Turkoman and Precisionist when discussing HDG's chances against Giant Oak and Flat Out or BL's chances against Game on Dude and Acclamation. These older males now are a joke, a bad one at that, and they barely are faster than our fastest 2yos so why not take shots against them?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Sidney's Candy is free money btw. He runs anything decent he wins this, another horrible G1 race

How decent was that?

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

How decent was that?

I laughed.

[Travis Stone]

Nice run from Havre de Grace but I want Flat Out going forward...

Ambitious spotting paid-off... but now what do you do? Don't you sorta have to keep going and head to the BC Classic?

[mbahadur]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Ambitious spotting paid-off... but now what do you do? Don't you sorta have to keep going and head to the BC Classic?

Blind Luck would be a clear favorite in the Distaff if she goes in the Classic -- would like to see the BL-HDG rivalry continue (either with both in the Distaff or both in the Classic)

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

How decent was that?

that was pretty horrible, looks like the move to Pletcher hasnt done much

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

that was pretty horrible, looks like the move to Pletcher hasnt done much

Had nothing to do with any trainer. This was a stupid placement in my opinion. It reminded me of what Zito used to keep doing with Commentator. Sidney's Candy has good speed for route racing but not for sprinting unless he gets a really light field that he totally outclasses. Like Commentator, he'll always be drowned in top class sprints. I thought he'd have had a much better chance in the Woodward.