unions killing jobs...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Uh if the unions prevail here how doesnt it kill all the jobs that the new factory would have added?

i think i misplaced a comma in what you quoted. i meant it to say you can't make a blanket statement, but in this case, obviously jobs would be killed. that the union is in the wrong.

[Danzig]

are unions the ultimate evil? no. are there abuses, just like with every other business? absolutely.

thing is, a union is ultimately a business, just like any other. they seek to make money, turn a profit. in my opinion, they are akin to churches. they started with a good purpose, but they're only worried about the bottom line at this point.

union membership has been on the decline for years. in the last year or so, the majority of union membership is now from the public sector rather than private. they are kicking and clawing to remain a viable entity. but many of their ideas aren't so much a good thing for the employee, as a good thing for themselves.

we aren't in the condition we are in because of unions-but many corporations bottom lines have been affected by union practices over the years. the automakers are a perfect example. retirement packages and layoff procedures are like nothing found anywhere else. ultimately pensions became too big a burden, much like what the usps is now facing. or schools.

my husband is in a union, has been for close to 15 years-more for self-preservation than anything. sorry, that union is a joke. they gave up the right to strike years ago, which is really the only power a union has in its arsenal. it's as useful at this point as a gelding in a breeding shed. contract negotiations went swimmingly in both contract talks since koch purchased, with no reason to argue over any company offers. but to read about unions and viewpoints, you'd think it was so awful without them. certainly not in this case!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think i misplaced a comma in what you quoted. i meant it to say you can't make a blanket statement, but in this case, obviously jobs would be killed. that the union is in the wrong.

But you can make a blanket statement because most unions would rather kill non-union jobs if given the opportunity. Like politicians their own survival is more important to them than common good. Hey I understand why they are taking that position but it doesn't mean I agree with it or condone it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But you can make a blanket statement because most unions would rather kill non-union jobs if given the opportunity. Like politicians their own survival is more important to them than common good. Hey I understand why they are taking that position but it doesn't mean I agree with it or condone it.

yeah, i think they would. but if they all wouldn't all the time, that's where i say you can't make a blanket statement...we all know how pesky saying all, or none, or always can be.
what i don't get is a situation like the teachers the other day(in wi, or mi?), who voted to keep their current scheme in place, rather than pay extra for their retirement-which mean some of their laid off fellow teachers would remain laid off. that can't be what the union wanted-laid off union members don't pay dues!
now, why do they want teachers to pay a portion of their retirement? because the pension system in place is becoming untenable, much like with the usps, uaw, etc, etc. another example of people going broke, when small changes can be made now, to avoid big problems later. the teachers were unwilling to do so, so the pain is felt by their former fellow teachers, who are now unemployed. way to take care of their union brothers.