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[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Revolution

Great, according to Alan Hevesi, a real trustworthy guy.

So NYRA is either corrupt or incompetent. Doesn't matter to me. They lose money year after year due to incompetence or corruption. Pick your poison.

So when Alan Hevesi says they are corrupt he is trustworthy but when he says they have cleaned up their act he is not?

You really need a diaper change.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So when Alan Hevesi says they are corrupt he is trustworthy but when he says they have cleaned up their act he is not?

You really need a diaper change.

Stick to Eliot Spitzer. I think Hevesi is sharing the free car rides with the executives at NYRA.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So when Alan Hevesi says they are corrupt he is trustworthy but when he says they have cleaned up their act he is not?

You really need a diaper change.

And on the subject of your NYRA reform leader Alan Hevisi...

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...ate=10/26/2006

Is this person not highly involved in "reforming" NYRA?

My only point is this.... Non-profits, especially those mandated (read, run) by a State government make those non-profits political process driven, at least to some extent. Just like government run health care, you can expect it to run inefficiently.

That's my point.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

And on the subject of your NYRA reform leader Alan Hevisi...

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...ate=10/26/2006

Is this person not highly involved in "reforming" NYRA?

My only point is this.... Non-profits, especially those mandated (read, run) by a State government make those non-profits political process driven, at least to some extent. Just like government run health care, you can expect it to run inefficiently.

That's my point.

I am not making an opinion of Alan Hevesi, but as he is the one where many of these allegations of corruptions stemmed from, it is also important to note that he has subsequently claimed they have cleaned themselves up. You can't believe one and not the other.

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[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not making an opinion of Alan Hevesi, but as he is the one where many of these allegations of corruptions stemmed from, it is also important to note that he has subsequently claimed they have cleaned themselves up. You can't believe one and not the other.

I guess there are just some people who feel non-profits are just no good at making money. Reasons include inability to compete for good people (read, compensation) and lack of sense of urgency. I suppose I'm one of those people. And when you have politicians at the State level "reforming" an industry at a time when the key to the vault is up for grabs, people are going to cast a jaundiced eye. I'm not judging Hevesi either. But the story I posted is what you get. It's not just regulation and reform. It's also politics. And when you take most any politician and start peeling the onion, ...

[blackthroatedwind]

I have no problem with the Not-for-Profit vs. for-profit argument and am sure with more knowledge one could easily argue both sides. Certainly the Government involvement that has come with this Not-for-Profit model, along with former administrations, has not necessarily served NYRA particularly well in the past. It has not, however, prevented them from running the most successful year round racing enterprise in the country and that fact should not be lost. In this specific instance I have a great deal of confidence in the current NYRA management team going forward. That is not to suggest, however, that another group could not also do well, with a for-profit model, but in this particular instance I have seen nothing to give me any confidence in the other bidders. From what I have seen, one of these groups would certainly be a poor choice while another has not shown its hand in any way. So, in this particular circumstance I would be more comfortable with the administration of NYRA, but I have no problem with the general argument.

The problem in this thread is a lot of slanderous and untrue allegations were being thrown around by a foolish instigator, with little to no understanding of the situation. The intelligent argument about the future of the franchise, and for-profit vs. not-for-profit, is a much more interesting and enlightened argument that I welcome.

[SniperSB23]

If keeping it in the hands of the NYRA means I'll only have to pay $3 admission and can bring in a cooler full of any food and drink I want then I am all for the NYRA.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If keeping it in the hands of the NYRA means I'll only have to pay $3 admission and can bring in a cooler full of any food and drink I want then I am all for the NYRA.

Who cares about admissions and costs of refreshments. New Yorkers dont even go to the track with the exception of Saratoga. Big deal if they raise the price of admission. And by the way, it is only $2 to get into Churchill so I don't understand this arguement that admissions would increase. To me that point is a non issue. The issue here is running an organization without having to ask the state for millions of dollars. If I lived in New York and I didnt care about horse racing I would be pissed that millions are going to support a non-profit. I would be even more pissed if I worked at a non-profit hospital and havent had a raise in years and I saw the NYRA getting millions of dollars to bail out a poor business model. Also, I am assuming the NYRA is clean now because no one is really complaining about corruption. However, that stigma will always be there and rightfully so. The new leadership has to change the culture before people can start having confidence in the "new" NYRA.

Teachers----I do not think teachers are under paid at all. People choose to be a teacher. You actually have to go to college and get a Masters. You know the pay going in so it is your choice to make that pay. They work about the same amount of hours as a person who is not a teacher that works a 40 hour a week job in a years time. The benefits, the retirement and the age of retirement are all very attractive. I believe in Indiana you can retire by using a formula--something like years of experience plus age and if that number is 52 or 58 you can retire. What many teachers do in Southern Indiana is to retire from Kentucky and then move over to Indiana to teach and then they pull down 2 retirements. Now find me a job where you can retire at the age of 55 and receive full pension and benefits.