Obama’s and Bush’s effects on the deficit in one graph

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

The 2012 campaign strategy for Obama better be defending himself as remotely Democratic, and for the GOP candidate to not be simply crazy. Mitt and Jon could carry that off.

Obama is so weak right now all the republicans should do is stand behind him and give the everytime he speaks. That and put up an old 'cash for clunkers' poster and the huge plans he had for cap and trade. Not to mention the new taxes related to Obamacare (that was supposed to be a money saver. ) Lamer than a lame duck. Let's see how fast he can burn through $2 trillion?

And with this wake up call, let's stop allowing the SS fund to be the cash station for the gov. and cease the IOU's from the treasury. They (SS) have plenty of them already, in fact that's all they have!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Lamer than a lame duck. Let's see how fast he can burn through $2 trillion?

It's a shame you still don't understand how the debt ceiling works, and what it is. That 2 trillion was spent a long time ago by our Congress. The bill is here. We have to pay it. We are not borrowing for future spending.

BTW, the "Ryan budget", once voted in, will have to have a debt ceiling raise nearly every year.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's a shame you still don't understand how the debt ceiling works, and what it is. That 2 trillion was spent a long time ago by our Congress. The bill is here. We have to pay it. We are not borrowing for future spending.

BTW, the "Ryan budget", once voted in, will have to have a debt ceiling raise nearly every year.

We need a debt-ceiling raise every month. That's the only way we'll control the crackwhore like spending and show we're on top of the debt.

Since we spent this $2 trillion long ago I trust there won't be any other crazy spending plans. Like paying people for their houses so the Fed can burn them making those people want to buy new domiciles

Guess IMO it comes down to military spending preserving independence while entitlement spending creating dependence. I'd rather be independent while some prefer a hangy, dried up tiat to suck on. Social Security and Medicare are not entitlements until they are not contributed to by their recipients. Currently they are victims. Being drained by the likes of cash for clunkers, Pakistan aid and forgiving Egypt's tab. Belly up Grandma and Grandpa!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

We need a debt-ceiling raise every month. That's the only way we'll control the crackwhore like spending and show we're on top of the debt.

Seeing as the debt ceiling has nothing to do with future spending, or the deficit, don't you think it would simply be better to plan the future spending in a more responsible way?

Since we spent this $2 trillion long ago I trust there won't be any other crazy spending plans.

Just the current Ryan budget awaiting passage.

Guess IMO it comes down to military spending preserving independence while entitlement spending creating dependence. I'd rather be independent while some prefer a hangy, dried up tiat to suck on.

You mean, independent like ... oh, Haliburton? Lockheed? TASC?

Ah, found this quote today:

"We have superceded Congress to facilitate 750 billion dollars in domestic cuts including Medicare in order to end an artificially-induced political hostage crisis over debt, originating from the bills run up by a Republican president who funneled billions of taxpayer dollars to the military-industrial complex by unfunded, unnecessary, and unproductive wars, enabled in doing so by the very same Republican leaders who now cry for balanced budgets - and we have called it compromise. "

The debt deal just done has guaranteed our continuing crappy recession and continuing unemployment for the next couple of years. Enjoy the fruits of a proven-disastrous financial ideology.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Seeing as the debt ceiling has nothing to do with future spending, or the deficit, don't you think it would simply be better to plan the future spending in a more responsible way?
Just the current Ryan budget awaiting passage.



You mean, independent like ... oh, Haliburton? Lockheed? TASC?

The debt deal just done has guaranteed our continuing crappy recession and continuing unemployment for the next couple of years. Enjoy the fruits of a proven-disastrous financial ideology.

lol

don't hold your breath. it's funny, the last couple of years our govt has been telling us that in times of trouble, they're supposed to boost spending. of course, we're supposed to pretend they followed the other half of that axiom, that in times of boom, the govt. cuts back.

oops.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol

don't hold your breath. it's funny, the last couple of years our govt has been telling us that in times of trouble, they're supposed to boost spending. of course, we're supposed to pretend they followed the other half of that axiom, that in times of boom, the govt. cuts back.

oops.

Clinton did. It worked. If only Bush had held that course.

And the House walked the eff out of there today on vacation for a month, leaving 4,000 FAA employees "furloughed" with no pay and no resolution, because our House couldn't get it's freaking act together in the past two weeks.

The House had it's work week changed this Congress by Speaker Boehner, to a 4-day work week, with two weeks on, one week off.

I've had it with most of them.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Clinton did. It worked. If only Bush had held that course.

And the House walked the eff out of there today on vacation for a month, leaving 4,000 FAA employees "furloughed" with no pay and no resolution, because our House couldn't get it's freaking act together in the past two weeks.

The House had it's work week changed this Congress by Speaker Boehner, to a 4-day work week, with two weeks on, one week off.

I've had it with most of them.

Clinton was the weather man in San Diego, anybody could look good under those circumstances. Does not make him a better meteorologist than the guy in Minnesota, just has an easier time at work is all.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

And the House walked the eff out of there today on vacation for a month, leaving 4,000 FAA employees "furloughed" with no pay and no resolution, because our House couldn't get it's freaking act together in the past two weeks..

4000 represents less than 10% of their workforce. I suspect like most other Fed agencies they are overstaffed (padded) by 30% plus in addition to being overpaid with far too many beni's. If these workers are not missed they should then be put on permanent furloughs with no pay and pension credits where they stand. Move on to the next department/agency and repeat. The House is smarter than you think!