Tea Party kicks Boehner in the teeth - again

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by jms62

Your last 2 posts have my vote for the two best evah in these parts. We need to make it difficult and expensive for companies to ship jobs overseas or use H1 labor. We do not need to use taxpayer dollars to create jobs or bribe companies to hire workers. Of course since those making the laws are owned by those benefitting from the above it wont happen.

We can't have it both ways though...if consumers want inexpensive products, they will have to accept off shore manufacturing. By making it "difficult and expensive" for US Companies to manufacture their product outside the US, it will just drive up the retail that we will be paying.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by GBBob

We can't have it both ways though...if consumers want inexpensive products, they will have to accept off shore manufacturing. By making it "difficult and expensive" for US Companies to manufacture their product outside the US, it will just drive up the retail that we will be paying.

I gotta agree with you there Bob. Almost every consumer will buy a product at the lowest price if the quality is on par with the higher priced competition.

And I understand the desire to do something about job exodus. We need to. But whatever approach is chosen must be in line with the laws of supply and demand, resulting in a manufactured product that has pricing and quality at least on par with the products produced by the worldwide competitors.

This is why some suggest slashing corporate tax burdens and regulation - not to overtly benefit the owners of those corporations - but to reduce their costs so that making things here in the U.S. still makes good business sense. If the costs are too high and would produce expensive items that will not sell, a company must either move to where the costs make sense or shutter their doors. Either of those options leaves American workers without a job.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I gotta agree with you there Bob. Almost every consumer will buy a product at the lowest price if the quality is on par with the higher priced competition.

And I understand the desire to do something about job exodus. We need to. But whatever approach is chosen must be in line with the laws of supply and demand, resulting in a manufactured product that has pricing and quality at least on par with the products produced by the worldwide competitors.

This is why some suggest slashing corporate tax burdens and regulation - not to overtly benefit the owners of those corporations - but to reduce their costs so that making things here in the U.S. still makes good business sense. If the costs are too high and would produce expensive items that will not sell, a company must either move to where the costs make sense or shutter their doors. Either of those options leaves American workers without a job.

We are never going to be competative in meat and potatoes manufacturing of products with heavy labor as a major part of the product cost. Complex sewing garments, intricate detail on jewelry, etc are examples of areas that are gone forever. Even with China labor rates going up 5x over the last 2 years and with most factories supplying US Retailers providing health insurance and unioninzing, there is still too big a gap between the min wage here and what it can be made for there. Even if a US Company takes their manufacturing off shore, they do so to save millions of jobs that would be lost otherwise..Sales, Office, warehouse and distribution centers are positions that can't be outsourced, but that are saved by moving mnaufacturing to remain competitive. I'm sorry...you go to a Target Buyer with a Jacket made in the US at as cost of $30 or the same jacket...with quite possibly better quality that will cost Target $20 but is made in Vietnam....which one do you think they will choose?

One area that we should not lose ground jobs wise though is in the technological fields. We don't do a good enough job making it worth US Companies while not to move research labs and hi tech manufacturing off shore. Cheap labor does not drive the cost basis of a lot of these products and there is a proprietariness to them that allows for a comparison by retailers that isn't all about being the cheapest.

[geeker2]

welll put Bob

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by geeker2

welll put Bob

and JMS

[joeydb]

So... how are we going to pay back this debt with no jobs???

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So... how are we going to pay back this debt with no jobs???

Which do you think is more important? Jobs or the debt?

As JMS said, "An economy where 3% of the people have 98% of the money is destained to fail."

[jms62]

Originally Posted by GBBob

We are never going to be competative in meat and potatoes manufacturing of products with heavy labor as a major part of the product cost. Complex sewing garments, intricate detail on jewelry, etc are examples of areas that are gone forever. Even with China labor rates going up 5x over the last 2 years and with most factories supplying US Retailers providing health insurance and unioninzing, there is still too big a gap between the min wage here and what it can be made for there. Even if a US Company takes their manufacturing off shore, they do so to save millions of jobs that would be lost otherwise..Sales, Office, warehouse and distribution centers are positions that can't be outsourced, but that are saved by moving mnaufacturing to remain competitive. I'm sorry...you go to a Target Buyer with a Jacket made in the US at as cost of $30 or the same jacket...with quite possibly better quality that will cost Target $20 but is made in Vietnam....which one do you think they will choose?

One area that we should not lose ground jobs wise though is in the technological fields. We don't do a good enough job making it worth US Companies while not to move research labs and hi tech manufacturing off shore. Cheap labor does not drive the cost basis of a lot of these products and there is a proprietariness to them that allows for a comparison by retailers that isn't all about being the cheapest.

Well put and that was the focus of my rant.. I used too wide a brush in painting. We drove out the manufacturing sector in the late 80's and everyone was told to get educated for high tech related and white collar jobs. Now those are being tossed and we are being told to invent the next big thing that will employ everyone. But the dynamics have changed the next big thing will also be done overseas. An economy where 3% of the people have 98% of the money is destained to fail.. My personal circumstances are that I am doing very well and my wife and I (thank god) have never been unemployeed so I am not talking my book here. I am afraid of the country our chidren and their children will inherit. I guess they all could bet Playa_Playas system for a living but I digress.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

We drove out the manufacturing sector in the late 80's and everyone was told to get educated for high tech related and white collar jobs. Now those are being tossed and we are being told to invent the next big thing that will employ everyone. But the dynamics have changed the next big thing will also be done overseas. An economy where 3% of the people have 98% of the money is destained to fail..

BTW, IMO we are no longer educated enough, or motivated enough, to invent the next high tech stuff anyway.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

BTW, IMO we are no longer educated enough, or motivated enough, to invent the next high tech stuff anyway.

I think we are educated enough but big business says otherwise as a justification of selling us out for the enrichment of a few.