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Antitrust32 · #1 07-12-2011, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

THen petition someone to change the definition of quality start. Halladay has 16, by the way, which is only one more than Jurjjens and three fewer than Verlander (Verlander stat thrown in for perspective).

jurrjens has 14.. that is 2 less than halladay.

just fixing your math.

Antitrust32 · #2 07-12-2011, 10:16 AM

i like how you ignore how many more innings halladay has gone, and how many more batters he's faced.

you are just uninformed.

and shoot, JJ is pitching great, out of his mind.. but there is a reason Halladay is starting the all star game over him.

slotdirt · #3 07-12-2011, 10:28 AM

All-Star starter is meaningful stat now? Sheesh.

ANd the argument isn't Jurjjens vs. Halladay, by the way. Shoot, Hamels is probably having the better season than Halladay anyway.

Antitrust32 · #4 07-12-2011, 10:31 AM

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All-Star starter is meaningful stat now? Sheesh.

ANd the argument isn't Jurjjens vs. Halladay, by the way. Shoot, Hamels is probably having the better season than Halladay anyway.

Hamels is close. Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball, and has been for years.

only an idiot would say that a team doesnt have the best rotation and then post a link proving said team does have the best rotation (and according to that link, best overall pitching)

slotdirt · #5 07-12-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Hamels is close. Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball, and has been for years.

only an idiot would say that a team doesnt have the best rotation and then post a link proving said team does have the best rotation (and according to that link, best overall pitching)

Halladay has been the best pitcher in baseball and a surefire hall of famer Is he in 2011? I'd say 99 out of 100 managers and GM's would take Verlander based on the two pitchers respective first half work. Halladay is a great pitcher; Verlander has been borderline unhittable this year.

On the "only an idiot" question, I presume that "only an idiot" would take precisely one statistical measurement and try to make an argument over it, particularly when a person is also using the "honor" of All-Star starter of all things to bolster one's argument. Further, "only an idiot" would quote the 19.2 vs. 17.7 PHI-ATL WAR statistic and not realize that team WAR also includes bullpens.

Stick to blindly defending Philadelphia sports rather than objective arguments; clearly the former is your strong point.

slotdirt · #6 07-12-2011, 01:45 PM

Moreover, considering the difference between the respective WAR of PHI vs. ATL is three times less than ATL and the next team in the rankings, even one blindly defending PHI should easily be able to see that there is at least an argument that ATL's staff has been as good as PHI's based on the massive difference between PHI, ATL, and the rest of the National League.

(Incidentally, Verlander's midseason WAR of 5.4 compromises all but .7 of the entire Detroit pitching staff's WAR for 2011, and that includes another pitcher who is also in double digits in wins - shows just how valuable "wins" are as a defining statistic for pitchers...)

Antitrust32 · #7 07-12-2011, 01:58 PM

i've already said that Atlanta has the best bullpen in all of baseball. nobody is going to say their rotation is better than the Phillies.

you are such a Philly hater (why is that?) that you cant admit when you are wrong about them.

Phillies, hands down, have the best rotation in baseball.

how is it possible, considering the Phillies offense has pretty much sucked all year... and the team has 57 wins and the best record in baseball... while playing in the most difficult division in the National League?

you hate on everything Philly. I'm not a homer because I know our rotation is best, its all there in the facts and stats. Me being a homer would say that the Phillies have a good offense (they dont). Me being a homer would say that I'm not worried about the bullpen missing 3 of their top pitchers (I am). you, not realizing they do have the best rotation in baseball, are a hater.

seriously... you'd take the Braves rotation over the Phils??

I know for a fact I'd take the Braves bullpen over the phillies, even if I think they are over-worked at this point. Phillies have the least used bullpen in the NL... wanna know why? their unbelievable rotation.

Antitrust32 · #8 07-12-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Moreover, considering the difference between the respective WAR of PHI vs. ATL is three times less than ATL and the next team in the rankings, even one blindly defending PHI should easily be able to see that there is at least an argument that ATL's staff has been as good as PHI's based on the massive difference between PHI, ATL, and the rest of the National League.

(Incidentally, Verlander's midseason WAR of 5.4 compromises all but .7 of the entire Detroit pitching staff's WAR for 2011, and that includes another pitcher who is also in double digits in wins - shows just how valuable "wins" are as a defining statistic for pitchers...)

if they were as good they wouldnt be 1.5 points behind. You can say, that they have been as close to the phils compared to every other team. and you are still a dumbass. I said the link you posted showed it as TEAM PITCHING. it also proved it as a ROTATION... did you notice 3 of the top 7 on that list are Philadelphia starters?? need new glasses?

I'd still take the Giants and / or Rangers rotation over the Braves. I think Jurrjens could be this years Jimenez... great first half, tail off the 2nd half. He has not logged a lot of innings, so it could catch up to him. Hopefully not though, I enjoy good competition.

Antitrust32 · #9 07-14-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Halladay has been the best pitcher in baseball and a surefire hall of famer Is he in 2011? I'd say 99 out of 100 managers and GM's would take Verlander based on the two pitchers respective first half work. Halladay is a great pitcher; Verlander has been borderline unhittable this year.

point.

LOL