Is it just me or is Godolphin winning everything

Originally Posted by liamc7

When and if ever Coolmore decide to take American racing seriously watch out.

The bottomline is that their money isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the Shiek's cash...not even close, but they're both loaded..

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The bottomline is that their money isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the Shiek's cash...not even close, but they're both loaded..

Joel but whose money has been smarter to this point?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel but whose money has been smarter to this point?

True, but money will prevail over the ong term...I've seen the trend move more and more towards Darley, especially this year....Coolmore runs a smarter operation because they understnd racing better than Darley does....Demi O'Byrne is a genius at picking out horses...unbelievable talent that guy has...he is a god and the brains behind that entire operation...he does a lot better than Ferguson with less resources.

The bottomline here is that Darley will ultimately pay more to be better....Coolmore actually has limits...Darley is the only irrational business in our industry that has no limits on what they will or can pay for a horse(s).

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

True, but money will prevail over the ong term...I've seen the trend move more and more towards Darley, especially this year....Coolmore runs a smarter operation because they understnd racing better than Darley does....Demi O'Byrne is a genius at picking out horses...unbelievable talent that guy has...he is a god and the brains behind that entire operation...he does a lot better than Ferguson with less resources.

The bottomline here is that Darley will ultimately pay more to be better....Coolmore actually has limits...Darley is the only irrational business in our industry that has no limits on what they will or can pay for a horse(s).

Joel.
Only when he drops the dream of having a Derby winner come from Dubai. I agree, if he ever decides I'm gonna hire Baffert, Pletcher, Mott, Dutrow, etc to just train my purchases then yes. But until then he wont surpass Coolmore. And matching Bin Suroor against Aidan is like matching me with Brad pitt in contest to pick up women. Neither I nor Saeed have a chance.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel.
Only when he drops the dream of having a Derby winner come from Dubai. I agree, if he ever decides I'm gonna hire Baffert, Pletcher, Mott, Dutrow, etc to just train my purchases then yes. But until then he wont surpass Coolmore. And matching Bin Suroor against Aidan is like matching me with Brad pitt in contest to pick up women. Neither I nor Saeed have a chance.

True, but any trainer is dangerous with goiod horses in his barn....look at Eoin Harty, who I think is an absolute joke as a trainer...might be a nice guy, but he merely masquerades as a horse trainer, yet that hasn't stopped Dubai Escapade....I love betting against Harty because the public will bet him down and he is a horrible horseman..

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

True, but any trainer is dangerous with goiod horses in his barn....look at Eoin Harty, who I think is an absolute joke as a trainer...might be a nice guy, but he merely masquerades as a horse trainer, yet that hasn't stopped Dubai Escapade....I love betting against Harty because the public will bet him down and he is a horrible horseman..

Joel,
How exactly is he supposed to be a "horseman" when everything he gets from Dubai is ripped form him and sent over there for the winter? Are you serious? A horseman takes a young horse and develops it. What Harty has had going on is nowhere near that. he gets horses, and the better they do the quicker they are on a plane to Dubai. I just don't see how he is supposed to deal with that.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel,
How exactly is he supposed to be a "horseman" when everything he gets from Dubai is ripped form him and sent over there for the winter? Are you serious? A horseman takes a young horse and develops it. What Harty has had going on is nowhere near that. he gets horses, and the better they do the quicker they are on a plane to Dubai. I just don't see how he is supposed to deal with that.

I have two words (really have way more but two will do)....AP WARRIOR...enough said....I crushed him in the first race that Sherriffs had him because "Harty off" is a very powerful angle....it is almost as powerful as "Al Stall-off" or "Keith Desormeaux-off" (Cajun trainer)....strong angles that will be included in my book one day.....just like "Rick Dutrow-On" and "Cole Norman-On" are also powerful angles...

Harty is a fraud IMO...not to be harsh because I'm sure he's a nice guy...just because you came from the Baffert school of training doesn't mean that you are a good horsemen..

[liamc7]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

True, but money will prevail over the ong term...I've seen the trend move more and more towards Darley, especially this year....Coolmore runs a smarter operation because they understnd racing better than Darley does....Demi O'Byrne is a genius at picking out horses...unbelievable talent that guy has...he is a god and the brains behind that entire operation...he does a lot better than Ferguson with less resources.

The bottomline here is that Darley will ultimately pay more to be better....Coolmore actually has limits...Darley is the only irrational business in our industry that has no limits on what they will or can pay for a horse(s).

Why do you think the Sheiks dont get along with Coolmore,Coolmore have been buying and out bidding Darley for years,example Montjeu,&Hurricane Run

Originally Posted by liamc7

Why do you think the Sheiks dont get along with Coolmore,Coolmore have been buying and out bidding Darley for years,example Montjeu,&Hurricane Run

Because O'Byrne is a sharper horsemen..plain and simple...he privately purchased Hurricane Run...there was no bidding war...he saw the goods and went after him

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by liamc7

Why do you think the Sheiks dont get along with Coolmore,Coolmore have been buying and out bidding Darley for years,example Montjeu,&Hurricane Run

This is not the source of the friction.